ICAO flight plan codes

Discussion in 'Cleared for the Approach' started by Let'sgoflying!, May 21, 2019.

  1. Let'sgoflying!

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    Foreflight keeps bugging me to start filing ICAO instead of Domestic plans, then tells me how to assign codes to my airplane. Their "Quick" ref guide is 12 pages, many steps and leaves my head spinning.

    I have a 530W, VOR/ILS, ADS-B in/out 1090 via GTX345.
     
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    SBG for nav info, EB2 for surveillance info? That's what I'm using, similar equipage: 430W, addl VOR/ILS and NGT-9000 1090 in/out.
     
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    I don’t even know why the FAA keeps pushing the ICAO format. It’s still comes across on the ATC end as a one letter equipment suffix on the flight strip. They don’t care about all that additional BS anyway.
     
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    And they wonder why so many pilots don't want to bother with VFR flight plans ...

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Send an email to foreflight and ask them what you should use, they are very helpful.
     
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    For ICAO Equipment select S, G, B, Y
    For ICAO Surveillance Codes select E, B2
    For Wake Category select L for light


    Mike
     
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    Why Y instead of V?
     
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    No “R”, Mike? (PBN)
     
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    In box 18 "Other Information" I'm pretty sure you should include PBN/C2D2 to show you have RNAV1 and RNAV2 capability. See table 5-1-6 in the AIM and section 5-1-9.

    A GNS 530W does have RNAV1 and RNAV2 capability.
     
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    You can certainly add all the PBN codes also, but practically, there are not too many Sids, Stars and approaches that require PBN that most GA pilots will use at the moment. I'm not even sure ATC has widespread ability to do anything with the codes yet. Be interested to hear from ATC folks on this.

    I was trying to be helpful with a very easy to enter set of basic codes for the guy that didn't want to plow through 12 pages of stuff.
     
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    V (Radio Telephone RTF) is included in the standard equipment code S. Y is for a newer RTF with 8.33 KHz spacing.
     
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    Stop using Foreflight for flight plans?
     
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    I don't get the impression that radios with 8.33 kHz spacing are widely deployed in the US.
     
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    Garmin 530W and 750 have the ability.
     
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    As does my 225, but I only see 25 kHz increments when I turn the dial; does that count?
     
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    For your GTR-225.

    3.4.1 COM Spacing COM spacing may be selected between 8.33 kHz and 25 kHz to allow for regional requirements.
    NOTE: When switching from 8.33 kHz to 25 kHz mode, any 8.33 kHz-specific user frequencies will be deleted from the user frequency list. This only affects the user frequencies within the 8.33 kHz spectrum.
    Channel Spacing
    COM Spacing
    1. Press FUNC. 2. Turn the outer knob to SYS CONFIGURATION. 3. Turn the inner knob to COM SPACING. 4. Press ENT. 5. Turn the inner knob to set the COM spacing. 6. Press ENT to save the selected value. Press CLR to cancel the change.
     
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    so we could start using frequencies no one else would reasonably expected to be using?
    might get people off 'fingers' for air to air etc?
     
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    I'll make my implied regulatory question more explicit: have the 8.33 kHz channels been assigned and authorized for use in the NAS by the FCC? Looks like "no" per 47 CFR 87.137:

    "In the band 117.975-137 MHz, the Commission will not authorize any 8.33 kHz channel spaced transmissions or the use of their associated emission designator within the U.S. National Airspace System, except, on an optional basis, by Aeronautical Enroute Stations and Flight Test Stations, or by avionics equipment manufacturers which are required to perform installation and checkout of such radio systems prior to delivery to their customers."
     
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  22. John Collins

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    Y is not used in the USA or in this Hemisphere. In Europe it is mandated. So whether or not one specifies Y is irrelevant in the US. ATC could care less and the US AIP says it is not used.
     
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