I wish there was a co-ownership forum

DrPappy

DrPappy

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It sure would be great if there were a forum, site, etc. regarding aircraft co-ownership. Maybe there is, but I'm too dumb to find it. I'm talking about a place, sort of like a dating site, where people can express their interest in co-ownership and where they are located, and that way be able to get in contact with like-minded people in their area. It could also be a place where guys could moan about mistakes they have made to help others in future partnerships.

I fly out of Hooks (KDWH) in north Houston, and I know there must be a number of people with like interests in my area. I just have no clue who they are. I have looked in the local FBO but to no avail. If you know of anyone who desires partial ownership in my area, please let me know!
 
Look for a club that rents. You can buy in the club and have your choice planes to fly. Don't need a forum just cash.
 
I know that shirt. I think it's Cuero Texas town slogan.
 
Something, say, like an Aircraft Partnership Association?

Oh wait. That did exist. Then AOPA bought it, didn't do anything to promote it, let it get stale, and then killed it off entirely. :mad2:
 
I fly out of Hooks.

Are you looking for a partnership? I know there is an active flying club on the field.

South West Flying Club

I know you said partnership but thats all I am aware of other than renting.
 
I'd like to see such a site too. I might like to take on a qualified partner to share expenses. I fly out of KOMN (Ormond Beach Florida near Daytona Beach). I wasn't aware AOPA let their shared ownership site die.
 
DrPappy said:
It sure would be great if there were a forum, site, etc. regarding aircraft co-ownership. Maybe there is, but I'm too dumb to find it. I'm talking about a place, sort of like a dating site, where people can express their interest in co-ownership and where they are located, and that way be able to get in contact with like-minded people in their area. It could also be a place where guys could moan about mistakes they have made to help others in future partnerships.

I fly out of Hooks (KDWH) in north Houston, and I know there must be a number of people with like interests in my area. I just have no clue who they are. I have looked in the local FBO but to no avail. If you know of anyone who desires partial ownership in my area, please let me know!
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You can try to contact Sam at HoustonAircraftPartnerships. Not sure what he has leads on right now, but I know he had a 182 share available last month.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Something, say, like an Aircraft Partnership Association?

Oh wait. That did exist. Then AOPA bought it, didn't do anything to promote it, let it get stale, and then killed it off entirely. :mad2:
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JOhnH said:
I'd like to see such a site too. I might like to take on a qualified partner to share expenses. I fly out of KOMN (Ormond Beach Florida near Daytona Beach). I wasn't aware AOPA let their shared ownership site die.
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Yep, that was the final straw between me and AOPA. My interests are not their interests apparently.

If you were down here I'd buy in and I know another guy that likely would too.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Something, say, like an Aircraft Partnership Association?

Oh wait. That did exist. Then AOPA bought it, didn't do anything to promote it, let it get stale, and then killed it off entirely. :mad2:
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It was barely useable when they bought it.

I think a dedicated subforum here would be a good idea, postings automatically expire if not updated every 60days.
 
AOPA does have an aircraft partnership/club finder on their website (for members). They started a big push for it last year, but like anything, is dependent on clubs/owners to contact them in order to update the registry and contact info.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Something, say, like an Aircraft Partnership Association?

Oh wait. That did exist. Then AOPA bought it, didn't do anything to promote it, let it get stale, and then killed it off entirely. :mad2:
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Before AOPA got it, I had a chance to meet at converse with the creator of APA, who interestly was based in Frisco, TX, not far from me.

He had some really good ideas on how to grow the site. Already had recognized the shortcomings that existed at that point and was working toward the needed improvements. He just needed the resource$ and time to code and implement.

And you're dead on that it was not one of AOPA's most shining moments when they acquired the assets and then only added to the project for a very short time. And then let it die a slow death since folks didn't want to use a system that was getting very low traffic.

And it's hard to say how much use a new site would get. I just know it would be a large undertaking with difficulty recouping your cost to create and operate.
 
AggieMike88 said:
Before AOPA got it, I had a chance to meet at converse with the creator of APA, who interestly was based in Frisco, TX, not far from me.

He had some really good ideas on how to grow the site. Already had recognized the shortcomings that existed at that point and was working toward the needed improvements. He just needed the resource$ and time to code and implement.

And you're dead on that it was not one of AOPA's most shining moments when they acquired the assets and then only added to the project for a very short time. And then let it die a slow death since folks didn't want to use a system that was getting very low traffic.

And it's hard to say how much use a new site would get. I just know it would be a large undertaking with difficulty recouping your cost to create and operate.
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That is the problem with all things GA. The market is so small, nothing is cost effective. This is the outcome when profit and interest is defined and measured in more money.
 
Arrow115 said:
I fly out of Hooks.

Are you looking for a partnership? I know there is an active flying club on the field.

South West Flying Club

I know you said partnership but thats all I am aware of other than renting.
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Yes, I've seen SWFC's site. They have one 172 and two 182's. The thing stopping me was that their bylaws say that they require a checkride every year. I know they do it for insurance reasons, but holy cow. Oh, plus the fact there is a waiting list to get in the club. I might still have to go that route if no other paths come along.

FlyingIsGood said:
You can try to contact Sam at HoustonAircraftPartnerships. Not sure what he has leads on right now, but I know he had a 182 share available last month.
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Thanks for the lead, FlyingIsGood...I will definitely check them out!

Van Johnston said:
Close. Gonzales.
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Van Johnston, you are correct! Everyone knows "Remember the Alamo" but all Texans and those interested in history need to visit Gonzales, and the little cannon that started it all. I wore that shirt last year when visiting Boston, and several tourists were upset because they hadn't seen that shirt in any of the local gift shops. :rolleyes2: I was impressed later that day when a woman actually did recognize it and told me how one of her great-great grandparents hid the cannon in their barn for years so that it wouldn't be confiscated. One of my best memories from historic Boston had nothing to do with the tea party!
 
APA was almost usable. They AOPA bought, didn't improve it, didn't promote it, and started to charge to use it.

If they were smart, they would have invested in it, made it useful, established it as a viable, useful product, then maybe people would have spent a little money on it.

AOPA is full of it whenever they claim to want flying to be more affordable.

A basic web forum isn't sufficient. It needs to be geographically searchable.

Jeff
 
DrPappy said:
Yes, I've seen SWFC's site. They have one 172 and two 182's. The thing stopping me was that their bylaws say that they require a checkride every year. I know they do it for insurance reasons, but holy cow. Oh, plus the fact there is a waiting list to get in the club. I might still have to go that route if no other paths come along.
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I think that yearly checkride is with the club's cfi, not a dpe. But still just another expense for you that could be avoided in a partnership.

Where are you currently renting?
 
DrPappy said:
Yes, I've seen SWFC's site. They have one 172 and two 182's. The thing stopping me was that their bylaws say that they require a checkride every year. I know they do it for insurance reasons, but holy cow. Oh, plus the fact there is a waiting list to get in the club. I might still have to go that route if no other paths come along.



Thanks for the lead, FlyingIsGood...I will definitely check them out!



Van Johnston, you are correct! Everyone knows "Remember the Alamo" but all Texans and those interested in history need to visit Gonzales, and the little cannon that started it all. I wore that shirt last year when visiting Boston, and several tourists were upset because they hadn't seen that shirt in any of the local gift shops. :rolleyes2: I was impressed later that day when a woman actually did recognize it and told me how one of her great-great grandparents hid the cannon in their barn for years so that it wouldn't be confiscated. One of my best memories from historic Boston had nothing to do with the tea party!
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A 'checkride a year' is typically handled as a flight review, not a checkride. If you fly frequently and/or are active in training, this is typically waved.
 
Henning said:
A 'checkride a year' is typically handled as a flight review, not a checkride. If you fly frequently and/or are active in training, this is typically waved.
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In the club I belong to, an annual flight review (equivalent of a BFR, but annually) is required by insurance. No wavier of frequency, etc. Having said that, the owner/chief instructor will work with you on what you want to cover for that flight review. My last one was some serious slow flight stuff for my own edification.

John
 
Arrow115 said:
I think that yearly checkride is with the club's cfi, not a dpe. But still just another expense for you that could be avoided in a partnership.

Where are you currently renting?
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Chris, I am renting from United Flight Systems at Hooks.
 
Aopa charges membership. Pilotsofamerica doesn't. I bet this website gets a lot more traffic than any subforum on aopa ever will. There are sections on this website
such as sports that get little traffic. IMO a partnership forum wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
DrPappy said:
It sure would be great if there were a forum, site, etc. regarding aircraft co-ownership. Maybe there is, but I'm too dumb to find it. I'm talking about a place, sort of like a dating site, where people can express their interest in co-ownership and where they are located, and that way be able to get in contact with like-minded people in their area. It could also be a place where guys could moan about mistakes they have made to help others in future partnerships.

I fly out of Hooks (KDWH) in north Houston, and I know there must be a number of people with like interests in my area. I just have no clue who they are. I have looked in the local FBO but to no avail. If you know of anyone who desires partial ownership in my area, please let me know!
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Talk to local flight instructors and DE's. They always have students who are ready to graduate or know many recently certificated pilots who are then looking to purchase an aircraft.

Flying clubs usually have a monthly newsletter. Ask them if they will post a classified in there regarding your interesting in purchasing an airplane with a partner/co-owner.

You mentioned "like a dating site"...well you are not too far off there bub! When you own an airplane with another individual, you are deeply in bed with them, like it or not. Make VERY sure your flying interests are the same, your financial pockets are equally deep and secure, and if you listen to NOTHING else I suggest, please....HAVE AN IRON CLAD CONTRACT/PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT signed. Make sure it covers every contingency...and I mean every contingency, so you two or three or whatever know just what to expect from each other.

You should each be financially secure enough that if someone leaves, the remaining partners can carry the load until another co-owner can be brought in.

Best of luck! I have shared ownership in Cardinal RG for almost 15 years and it has never had so much as a single wrinkle. I don't know enough other people in partnerships to tell you if we are the exception or the rule.

Gene
 
Does AOPA charge for seeing the club finder? I'm a member and I stay logged into their site, so I really don't know.
 
Jeff Oslick said:
A basic web forum isn't sufficient. It needs to be geographically searchable.
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A basic web forum is all it takes. The demise of the APA was that it was too complicated.
 
I would love this! I'm based out of kmkc, and while there are several clubs in the area, it's borderline cheaper for me to rent than to pay the monthly dues. I really would love to find someone who wants to build an rv10 or glasair iii!

TJ


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DrPappy said:
It sure would be great if there were a forum, site, etc. regarding aircraft co-ownership. Maybe there is, but I'm too dumb to find it. I'm talking about a place, sort of like a dating site, where people can express their interest in co-ownership and where they are located, and that way be able to get in contact with like-minded people in their area. It could also be a place where guys could moan about mistakes they have made to help others in future partnerships.

I fly out of Hooks (KDWH) in north Houston, and I know there must be a number of people with like interests in my area. I just have no clue who they are. I have looked in the local FBO but to no avail. If you know of anyone who desires partial ownership in my area, please let me know!
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FlyingIsGood said:
You can try to contact Sam at HoustonAircraftPartnerships. Not sure what he has leads on right now, but I know he had a 182 share available last month.
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That's one of my planes and it's now full. But Sam always has something.

Last I heard he was trying to get a 4 way partnership on a Cirrus at Hooks but couldn't find enough people willing put up the funds. Maybe you can start it?

http://www.houstonaircraftpartnerships.com/
 
Consider putting an ad on the Houston Craigslist. That's how I found my partners Put in keywords cessna, piper, grumman, cirrus, airplane, aircraft, etc.
 
retailguy said:
That's one of my planes and it's now full. But Sam always has something.

Last I heard he was trying to get a 4 way partnership on a Cirrus at Hooks but couldn't find enough people willing put up the funds. Maybe you can start it?

http://www.houstonaircraftpartnerships.com/
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Definitely will. I tried going through his website, but it errored out. I will have to give him a call.

Van Johnston said:
Consider putting an ad on the Houston Craigslist. That's how I found my partners Put in keywords cessna, piper, grumman, cirrus, airplane, aircraft, etc.
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I had actually pondered doing just that but didn't know if it would work. Apparently it does! I will put up an ad on CL, thanks.
 
SoonerAviator said:
AOPA does have an aircraft partnership/club finder on their website (for members). They started a big push for it last year, but like anything, is dependent on clubs/owners to contact them in order to update the registry and contact info.
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It's pretty terrible. They list clubs in this area that have been defunct for many years (>10, in one case, long before AOPA even had a club finder), and it's really for clubs, not for small partnerships.
 
So if aviation clubs use landing strips, doesn't that make them all strip clubs?
 
flyingcheesehead said:
It's pretty terrible. They list clubs in this area that have been defunct for many years (>10, in one case, long before AOPA even had a club finder), and it's really for clubs, not for small partnerships.
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I don't disagree, but aside from calling/mailing every contact to ensure they are around, there's not much anyone (including AOPA) can do to combat that. I was just citing that it was possible to search flying clubs through their "finder". The same problem exists when it comes to finding fly-ins and such, because there is no centralized/up-to-date database which contains that information.

If no one submits the club/fly-in information, it's pretty difficult to compile it much less search for it.
 
SoonerAviator said:
I don't disagree, but aside from calling/mailing every contact to ensure they are around, there's not much anyone (including AOPA) can do to combat that. I was just citing that it was possible to search flying clubs through their "finder". The same problem exists when it comes to finding fly-ins and such, because there is no centralized/up-to-date database which contains that information.

If no one submits the club/fly-in information, it's pretty difficult to compile it much less search for it.
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Sure there is. Listings automatically fall out of the DB unless the club sends in an update annually.

AOPA doesn't want to do that because some non-insignificant number of clubs would disappear the year they instituted it. Either because they're really dead, or because they don't feel any need to be advertised or involved in AOPA.

Neither of which, meets AOPA's narrative of a healthy GA /healthy AOPA.
 
denverpilot said:
Sure there is. Listings automatically fall out of the DB unless the club sends in an update annually.

AOPA doesn't want to do that because some non-insignificant number of clubs would disappear the year they instituted it. Either because they're really dead, or because they don't feel any need to be advertised or involved in AOPA.

Neither of which, meets AOPA's narrative of a healthy GA /healthy AOPA.
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Lol, again, any database that relies on someone from the club/partnership to send them information is going to have a very small set of data which will likely diminish significantly after the first few years. You can knock on AOPA all you want (they certainly have plenty of faults), but the truth is that no one else is doing anything better in regards to keeping an up-to-date listing of flying clubs, or any decent alternative at all for that matter. Tons of ways parse information, but getting it is the problem. It's really tough to create a set of data for this when the clubs don't know that it exists and/or don't care to supply contact info.

Yelling at AOPA about a database with old info is like yelling at Google because they gave you a phone number that's out of service.
 
SoonerAviator said:
Yelling at AOPA about a database with old info is like yelling at Google because they gave you a phone number that's out of service.
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That's actually exceedingly rare. Anyone can report it to Google via links right on the screen, and they'll usually fix it within 24 hours.
 
denverpilot said:
That's actually exceedingly rare. Anyone can report it to Google via links right on the screen, and they'll usually fix it within 24 hours.
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Great. How many AOPA members do you think call a defunct contact number and report it to AOPA for them to fix it? Probably pretty infrequent. Tough to fix a problem you don't know exists.
 
SoonerAviator said:
Great. How many AOPA members do you think call a defunct contact number and report it to AOPA for them to fix it? Probably pretty infrequent. Tough to fix a problem you don't know exists.
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Missed the point again. Google provides a LINK ON THE PAGE to report problems. AOPA can't keep a website live to save their butts, let alone do something smart like provide a "report a problem" link.

Call on the phone? The 80s called and wants their website back.
 
denverpilot said:
Missed the point again. Google provides a LINK ON THE PAGE to report problems. AOPA can't keep a website live to save their butts, let alone do something smart like provide a "report a problem" link.

Call on the phone? The 80s called and wants their website back.
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I didn't miss any part of your point. I just don't see why you are getting so bent out of shape about it. I'm sure if AOPA was specifically in the business of managing a list of flying clubs, they'd look into a more efficient way of maintaining the database. As of now, the database consists of known flight clubs and flying clubs which have been submitted to the database by AOPA members. The only way to get one removed is for an AOPA member to email/call/etc AOPA and have it removed. I seriously doubt it's a highly-trafficked portion of the AOPA website, so the chances of someone discovering AND reporting a defunct listing are low.

You just seemed hellbent on chastising AOPA for offering the only known database of flying clubs. Looking a gift horse in the mouth sort of thing, ya know? If you don't like it, build your own and show them how much better it can be done.
 
I used the AOPA site to look up clubs. Worked for what it's meant to do. I suppose if some are defunct then you would find that out trying to contact them. I also called a few local FBOs to find out about fractional ownerships.
 
SoonerAviator said:
I don't disagree, but aside from calling/mailing every contact to ensure they are around, there's not much anyone (including AOPA) can do to combat that. I was just citing that it was possible to search flying clubs through their "finder". The same problem exists when it comes to finding fly-ins and such, because there is no centralized/up-to-date database which contains that information.

If no one submits the club/fly-in information, it's pretty difficult to compile it much less search for it.
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It's not like they don't have mailing lists and bulk mailing/campaigning down; it's their bread and butter.
 
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