Hugo is Dead

Yes he served to die and I hope he burnes in heyall - Samuel L Jackson
 
Now if Castro, Ahmadinejad and Kim Jung Un would follow his lead...
 
I think this is a smoke screen. He made a deal with the US and is now in the witness protection program working as an advisor to the president.
 
A friend of mine commented thusly: "Venezualian President Chavez to join Generalissamo Franco at a summit...."
 
bartmc said:
Why? There's well groomed replacements in place for same song, second verse.
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Agreed. Too many assume that a tyrant gets to power on their own and that toppling them is like playing chess - just checkmate the king and you win. The reality seems quite different: the tyrant typically has a quid pro quo arrangement with a large group within the subject population. The tyrant may die or be killed, but the large group that put and helps keep him or her in power will, unless heavily contested, replace the tyrant with one of their own.
 
Oh well. Hope he was ready for some heat.
 
Another one that Castro buries. When Chavez was in Cuba he saw Fidel cleaning a mark shovel with names of dead leaders, Chavez asked "Fidel what is this shovel for?" Castro replied "for those before me" and asked "how do you spell Hugo":lol:

José
 
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Not so sure this is a bad thing. The people of Venusula love America. Hopefully, the new president will moderate the stance towards the US and we can trade (oil) again, and open up tourism.
 
Too bad that he died and now will be considered a 'martyr' (with all the rumors that his illness was caused by the US).
He should have been defeated at the ballot box.
 
Geico266 said:
Not so sure this is a bad thing. The people of Venusula love America. Hopefully, the new president will moderate the stance towards the US and we can trade (oil) again, and open up tourism.
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This will depend on whether the people elect his Vice President or not. Hopefully not!
 
As much as this guy had such bad things to say about America, Venezuela is the #4 supplier of oil to this country(or so I heard on the radio today). Evidently money speaks a lot louder than words.
 
douglas393 said:
As much as this guy had such bad things to say about America, Venezuela is the #4 supplier of oil to this country(or so I heard on the radio today). Evidently money speaks a lot louder than words.
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Exactly. And I'll flip that on Americans too. Americans are woefully ignorant of the outright GREY nature of political relationships between South American Nations and the political and economic interests of the United States in that Continent. Making a simpleton accusation of 'tyrant' to a South American leader because the talking heads in CNN/FOX told the anglo mouthbreathers that it is so, and not exploring the convoluted relationships we weave with the world, is just ignorant.

The guy gave the US the finger and nationalized oil productions, so according to us he's a terrorist. Oh I guess that checks. Classic American Burger King "your fake Chinese meat burger in 30 seconds or less" assessment. :mad2:

The history of sentiments towards the United States' foreign policy in South america dates much before Hugo Chavez. Plenty of puppets we've put in place down there. We are not very nice in the employment of our economic and political interest in the New World either. We play dirty too, but suburban soccer mommy voter doesn't get to pay for that as we keep her ignorant of what our government does for her in order to afford her the blissful ignorance of getting on her car without considering how it's possible such inequities of lifestyle exist in the same hemisphere. It's a complicated history and Chavez was a convoluted leader, much like our own foreign policy with South America is..

...But we all have a daddy. If you have economic interests in American energy companies, I can see how ol' hugo strikes you as evil. Those pesky 3rd world country leaders just don't want to play by our rules, it's so evil...:rolleyes2:

As a Hispanic man with first-person cultural knowledge and social ties with people from Central, South American and Caribbean nations alike, and being a US Servicemember myself (for those who wish to question my allegiance and patriotism), I rather have an honest and intelligent conversation that fundamentally concedes the organic complicity our Country has in the dynamics that define our Hemisphere. I don't feel threatened by being critical of our own Country's interests in the labeling of these "tyrants", whether they sit at the table with Castro or not. Only in Fox News is the world black and white.

Read up on the social inequities in Venezuela pre-Chavez. He swung the pendulum the other way in many respects, and was supported by the proletariat overwhelmingly; I'm not quite sure an american puppet would have been able to do much better in that Country..

I tell you this much though. Venezuelan chicks are the hottest thing to come out of South America in a long time. I know Dr King had a dream, but I have a dream too. I have a dream that one day my friends and I can spend one night with the Brazilian and Venezuelan female volleyball delegation. We need more foreign relations...or is it relationships? :D:yesnod:
 
hindsight2020 said:
Exactly. And I'll flip that on Americans too. Americans are woefully ignorant of the outright GREY nature of political relationships...
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I'm with you up to this point. You kind of drifted after that.

I've always been baffled at how we treat Saudi Arabia and other nations that encourage behaviors that we, as a nation, abhor. But for some reason we refuse to establish relationships with other countries.

I'm not condoning Chavez, as I really don't know much about him. About all I can say is that if Sean Penn is mourning him he's probably not someone I'd invite over for coffee.
 
Had he come to the U.S. for care, he might still be alive.

-Rich
 
bartmc said:
Already do.
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"Plausible deniability" is always easier if the supposed victim had not been on your territory and overtly handled by your nationals. Maybe, those trips to Cuba, he was actually going to Gitmo? :)

Ron Wanttaja
 
Great article in last month's New Yorker about the current state of affairs in Caracas.
Entitled "Slumlord" by John Anderson.
My college roomate 78-79 was from Caracas. Sure isn't the same city he described.
 
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hindsight2020 said:
rather have an honest and intelligent conversation that fundamentally concedes the organic complicity our Country has in the dynamics that define our Hemisphere.
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The primary reason for poverty in this region is all the stuff these countries inherited from their old European masters long time ago - corruption, feudal like class system, etc. More power to Venezuela if they think Cuban model will work for them but no question that such quasi fascist-socialist-nationalistic (like Peronism in Argentina) systems speak volumes about inability of such countries to develop viable democracy.
 
The greatest loss since the Hero of Chappaquidick (that would be Ted Kennedy for you young pups). :goofy::yes:
 
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