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Talking with AME the other day and he mentioned HIMS Lite in our conversation. Is that a thing for 3rd class medical? Granted he is not HIMS AME but found it interesting. His opinion was premised on the FAA not seeing as FAA "dependence" and possible not even FAA "abuse" BUT would result in a deferral pending evaluation. He called it HIMS lite.

DUI over 15 years ago (BAC .10) and 4 years ago test refusal. Total abstinence for over 2 years.

Thoughts?
 
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Possible for 3/c, exceedingly unlikely for 1/c. Dunno about 2/c.

The key is a “determination” of “abuse”, and keeping it away from dumsdorph.

Read 67.107.a.4 and you’ll see it really shouldn’t matter, but here we are. (Or 207 or 307)
 
Talking with AME the other day and he mentioned HIMS Lite in our conversation. Is that a thing for 3rd class medical? Granted he is not HIMS AME but found it interesting. His opinion was premised on the FAA not seeing as FAA "dependence" and possible not even FAA "abuse" BUT would result in a deferral pending evaluation. He called it HIMS lite.

DUI over 15 years ago (BAC .10) and 4 years ago test refusal. Total abstinence for over 2 years.

Thoughts?
You're in the bottom category on this table.

DUIDWI_Alcohol_Incidents_Disposition_Table.pdf

Hopefully that wasn't an official exam and you still have the ability to consult with a HIMS AME before you have your exam. At a minimum, you will have some ducks to get in a row.
 
Possible for 3/c, exceedingly unlikely for 1/c. Dunno about 2/c.

The key is a “determination” of “abuse”, and keeping it away from dumsdorph.

Read 67.107.a.4 and you’ll see it really shouldn’t matter, but here we are. (Or 207 or 307)
So let's go with your line of logic here... If there is no determination of dependence or abuse, what now?
 
You're in the bottom category on this table.

DUIDWI_Alcohol_Incidents_Disposition_Table.pdf

Hopefully that wasn't an official exam and you still have the ability to consult with a HIMS AME before you have your exam. At a minimum, you will have some ducks to get in a row.
Simply a conversation with local AME at the airport.

I completely agree that it would follow condition D on the disposition table which requires a deferral by AME. Then subsequent issuance is spelled out in the authorization letter. I understand up to this point...

Since both two events in airman lifetime is combined with history of dependence/substance use disorder it's a little confusing. What's next? Assuming there is no dependence or abuse found. Or at most abuse found. I wish these things were spelled out more.

From my understanding the HIMS program was originally crafted for the career pilot (1st/2nd class) not so much the 3rd class GA pilot. And that's kind of where the AME was referring to 3rd class as HIMS lite (if anything beyond special issuance) in such situation.
 
Well… that’s a rub. A determination is really just a statement, which can come after a determination that there ISNT abuse or dependence… by someone who admits they don’t even read your complete file.

This squarely falls under expect the worst, hope for the best.
 
Two alcohol events immediately satisfies the criteria for ABUSE (unless both are BAC's <0.15). The only question is does he also meet criteria for dependency. "HIMS lite" is usually a slang for the Abuse SI.

NB any use of alcohol after the second event is by definition dependency. I sure hope he can substantiate his assertion of sobriety.
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Talk to a FAA experienced lawyer
All of them assert they are experienced FAA lawyers and most of them don't know squat. I have met a few who attempted to teach themselves during deposition. What a travesty.
 
Two alcohol events immediately satisfies the criteria for ABUSE (unless both are BAC's <0.15). The only question is does he also meet criteria for dependency. "HIMS lite" is usually a slang for the Abuse SI.

NB any use of alcohol after the second event is by definition dependency. I sure hope he can substantiate his assertion of sobriety.

All of them assert they are experienced FAA lawyers and most of them don't know squat. I have met a few who attempted to teach themselves during deposition. What a travesty.

Same could be said for lots of AMEs

I don’t know, 304 reviews with a 5 star rating

 
Well… that’s a rub. A determination is really just a statement, which can come after a determination that there ISNT abuse or dependence… by someone who admits they don’t even read your complete file.

This squarely falls under expect the worst, hope for the best.
Very true... A broken clock is right twice a day.
 
Two alcohol events immediately satisfies the criteria for ABUSE (unless both are BAC's <0.15). The only question is does he also meet criteria for dependency. "HIMS lite" is usually a slang for the Abuse SI.

NB any use of alcohol after the second event is by definition dependency. I sure hope he can substantiate his assertion of sobriety.

All of them assert they are experienced FAA lawyers and most of them don't know squat. I have met a few who attempted to teach themselves during deposition. What a travesty.
Abuse special issuance would be ideal... But as you said substantiating sobriety can be a tale of two cities.

And yes, ask 5 "expert" lawyers and they will waste a great deal of your time. What do you call aviation lawyers with an ambulance-chasing streak? Fly-by-night!
 
Thought I'd add an update.

Completed the HIMS Psychiatric Evaluation. Really was over thinking this evaluation and after 15 minutes that nervousness dissipated. The evaluation is very extensive and touches on many areas from childhood to adulthood. Some of the topics related to various mental health questions: anxiety, depression, ADHD, OCD, drug/alcohol use (past, present & future), family history of mental health concerns, and others. The focus really came down to areas that the doc felt like he should probe. While my expectations was it would be super intrusive, that was not the case at all. Instead, the evaluation was more of a conversation format close to how you would talk to another person - super welcoming format (obviously to get you to be candid). The visit was just over 2 hours and frankly it went by very fast. I was asked to sign a release form to allow the doc to speak with various people I mentioned in our discussion and he said he would like to spend roughly 15 minutes speaking with them.

One thing he mentioned was if there was anything I felt that I didn't want to discuss just simply tell him. As he explained it, anything mentioned can't be unheard. In the event that I said I didn't want to discuss a topic or answer the question, he would respect that but if the information was critical to his report he would call and ask if I would be willing to answer. Luckily, I didn't feel that was needed at any point and answered all questions without issue.

In the end, the report will take 4-6 weeks to complete and he does make a recommendation but ultimately the decision is made by the FAA. He thoroughly explained that in some cases even where he sees zero issues and believes the person is of sound mind to be a pilot the FAA may disagree. Understandable. While he stressed that that was rare, it does happen.

Cost: $600 upfront plus $300 an hour once the final report is tendered. The guesstimate was $2500 - $3200 range.

My only advice: relax it's not as overwhelming as you may think. It's not really a pass or fail evaluation, rather the doctor wants to gauge future expectations - do you have any concerns that the FAA should be aware of in making their determination.
 
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Abuse special issuance would be ideal... But as you said substantiating sobriety can be a tale of two cities.

And yes, ask 5 "expert" lawyers and they will waste a great deal of your time. What do you call aviation lawyers with an ambulance-chasing streak? Fly-by-night!

Tell me you haven’t dealt with Ison without telling me you haven’t dealt with Ison

Good write up and hope it comes back all clear for you :)
 
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