HIMS AMEs Ghosting Airmen

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@bbchien would love to have you weigh in on this topic.

I’ve read a couple of cases where an airman was established and working with a HIMS AME, where the HIMS AME suddenly up and disappears. The most recent one I read about was rumored to have suffered a medical emergency. Not sure if it’s been confirmed or not.

In these situations, what’s an airman to do in order to prevent losing their SI?
 
I’d get a FAA lawyer to manage the AMEs

Going straight to AMEs is like expecting a drywall guy to GC a home build
 
This happened to me. It was a tough experience because I paid my HIMS AME to be the "monitoring" doctor as required by the FAA and my doc legitimately ghosted me after getting my money.

Everyone I talked to was stumped, because if my HIMS AME didn't write their report as required every year, I would lose my medical. As far as I understand, the only way for an airman to get a HIMS AME transfer that's *not* related to the death of the AME is to get the AME to sign off on it... Which obviously is not possible if your AME is not responding.

After a lot of back and forth, I found another HIMS AME out of state and physically travelled there to see if they could help. I told them my HIMS AME name and the doc said I was the third person in the last quarter that has come to them with the same issue from my original doctor - completely ghosted.

Interestingly, when the new AME called the old AME and left them a voicemail, the old AME seemed to immediately respond to the new one and agreed to transfer my case for a few — but the whole process was extremely arduous and cumbersome. I hope the FAA fixes this because it can fault the pilot for something that is completely out of their control.
 
If that's from the law firm that put up this fake site:
faahimsprogram.com

FAA HIMS Program | Human Intervention Motivation Study

Independent but comprehensive information about the FAA HIMS Program: process, recovery, certification, and reform.
faahimsprogram.com faahimsprogram.com

..it's a attempt to get you to send your monitoring reports. They are going after individual HIMS AMEs at the state board of medicine level. Pretty soon they'll be none of us left. An FAS has stated, "If any of you accomplish a >50% rating on any social media site, I will personally dismiss you". Good luck, all.

I will say that "ghosting an airman" is inexcusable unless you've had a stroke and are incapacitated, or are dead.
 
bbchien said:
If that's from the law firm that put up this fake site:
faahimsprogram.com

FAA HIMS Program | Human Intervention Motivation Study

Independent but comprehensive information about the FAA HIMS Program: process, recovery, certification, and reform.
faahimsprogram.com faahimsprogram.com

..it's a attempt to get you to send your monitoring reports. They are going after individual HIMS AMEs at the state board of medicine level. Pretty soon they'll be none of us left. An FAS has stated, "If any of you accomplish a >50% rating on any social media site, I will personally dismiss you". Good luck, all.

I will say that "ghosting an airman" is inexcusable unless you've had a stroke and are incapacitated, or are dead.
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Would be better if they went after some of the problem children at the FAA instead, maybe that’s dumbsdwarf guy for starters
 
bbchien said:
If that's from the law firm that put up this fake site:
faahimsprogram.com

FAA HIMS Program | Human Intervention Motivation Study

Independent but comprehensive information about the FAA HIMS Program: process, recovery, certification, and reform.
faahimsprogram.com faahimsprogram.com

..it's a attempt to get you to send your monitoring reports. They are going after individual HIMS AMEs at the state board of medicine level. Pretty soon they'll be none of us left. An FAS has stated, "If any of you accomplish a >50% rating on any social media site, I will personally dismiss you". Good luck, all.

I will say that "ghosting an airman" is inexcusable unless you've had a stroke and are incapacitated, or are dead.
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If HIMS personnel aren't doing anything wrong, then what's the issue? Asking because I'm genuinely curious.
 
The attorneys do not understand that FAA is not using DSM-5 defintions. The authority to use definitions created by the Fed. Air Surgeon, was given by congress in 2009.
 
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You bring up a good point doc… how do they define satisfactory recovery?

If you’re not gonna use a medical definition, surely the amateurs up there made SOMETHING up.


decalogue said:
Would be better if they went after some of the problem children at the FAA instead, maybe that’s dumbsdwarf guy for starters
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FAA HIMS Program Reform | Pilots for HIMS Reform

Pilots for HIMS Reform advocates for transparency, fairness, and accountability in the FAA's HIMS Program. Explore pilot stories, legal insight, and actionable reform efforts.
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Tools said:
You bring up a good point doc… how do they define satisfactory recovery?

If you’re not gonna use a medical definition, surely the amateurs up there made SOMETHING up.


pilotsforhimsreform.org

FAA HIMS Program Reform | Pilots for HIMS Reform

Pilots for HIMS Reform advocates for transparency, fairness, and accountability in the FAA's HIMS Program. Explore pilot stories, legal insight, and actionable reform efforts.
pilotsforhimsreform.org pilotsforhimsreform.org
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Reviewed the HIMS Reform Act of 2026. It reads like more bureaucratic overreach to stop bureaucratic overreach. I lost count of the various boards, oversight committees, etc this bill creates.

IMO when you want to fix a problem that was created by a law you must re-visit that law not create more laws as a bandage. Wouldn't it just be easier for this organization to suggest amending the laws that have created the problem/s rather than creating a totally new federal bureaucracy?
 
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