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What type of Alcohol testing does HIMS use?
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ETG/ETS urine. Non fda approved. Non creatinine normalized. Overly sensitive, prone to environmental exposure false positives. Also prone to giving you problems if you drink too much water to make sure you can pee.
PETH. Usually a finger stick. Prone to preanalytical false positives especially during warm humid periods of time. Only one lab in the US offers this. Go to their web site, read the collection procedures and make SURE they’re followed TO THE LETTER. Also non fda approved.
The whole blood lab corps test is a clinical draw, so switched samples are an issue. This has been seen! The guy only lost his medical and ability to work for a year or so, so this is considered acceptable by faa standards.
SOBERLINK. Don’t know as much about this one. Honestly, a good smart phone, service provider and signal coverage are likely the most important aspects.
Your HIMS AME will likely tell you he’s not an expert in biomarker testing, so you better damn well be, your medical (and career?) depend on it.
PETH. Usually a finger stick. Prone to preanalytical false positives especially during warm humid periods of time. Only one lab in the US offers this. Go to their web site, read the collection procedures and make SURE they’re followed TO THE LETTER. Also non fda approved.
The whole blood lab corps test is a clinical draw, so switched samples are an issue. This has been seen! The guy only lost his medical and ability to work for a year or so, so this is considered acceptable by faa standards.
SOBERLINK. Don’t know as much about this one. Honestly, a good smart phone, service provider and signal coverage are likely the most important aspects.
Your HIMS AME will likely tell you he’s not an expert in biomarker testing, so you better damn well be, your medical (and career?) depend on it.
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Comment: PETH. IMO Use the full blood draw. You need NOT to have the reliability issues still surrounding the single drop sample.
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Keep in mind it’s a clinical draw that doesn’t have great chain of custody, as evidenced by a friend of mine who got a false positive as proven by DNA. Not his blood. Was out of work for nearly a year. FAA don’t care…
Know of at least two others.
Furthermore, whole blood done by USDTL is nothing more than a vial sent to them to process via DBS assay. Know of false positives there.
The problem isn’t false positives, they exist, that’s life. It’s just that AMEs say they’re helpless and won’t declare an OBVIOUS false positive just that and press. It goes to wash and sits a year or so. AMAS doesn’t believe they exist… there is ZERO protocol.
Ironically the faa won’t use CDT testing because it has KNOWN false positives… like when you have end stage liver cancer… like THAT is a problem. And why do we know this? IT’S STUDIED. Has FDA approval (not an end all, but better than NOTHING) which includes testing on the test for this sort of thing.
Know of at least two others.
Furthermore, whole blood done by USDTL is nothing more than a vial sent to them to process via DBS assay. Know of false positives there.
The problem isn’t false positives, they exist, that’s life. It’s just that AMEs say they’re helpless and won’t declare an OBVIOUS false positive just that and press. It goes to wash and sits a year or so. AMAS doesn’t believe they exist… there is ZERO protocol.
Ironically the faa won’t use CDT testing because it has KNOWN false positives… like when you have end stage liver cancer… like THAT is a problem. And why do we know this? IT’S STUDIED. Has FDA approval (not an end all, but better than NOTHING) which includes testing on the test for this sort of thing.
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bbchien
Touchdown! Greaser!
CDT is soooo nonspecific....it's not the standard for ANYTHING.....