Helicopter Hog Hunting

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The original "I don't know it all" of aviation.
Just when you needed yet another reason to go flying...

Fort Worth Star Telegram said:
Helicopter Hunting For Feral Hogs Begins in TX Thursday
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"Pork choppers," Texas' newest weapon in the war on feral hogs, will take to the skies Thursday when it becomes legal for hunters to buy seats on hog-hunting helicopters and gun down as many pigs as they can put in their sights.

With more than 2 million feral hogs rooting around the Lone Star State, there will be plenty of targets for aerial gunners willing to pay $475 for an hour of heli-hunting.

Vertex Helicopters is already bringing home the bacon as a result of the measure passed by the Texas Legislature this year.

The Houston-based firm requires shooters to take a $350 hunting safety course before they can book a hunt, said President Mike Morgan, a former Army helicopter pilot.

Sixty hunters have taken the course, and two more 15-person classes are already filled, he said.

"These are people who are really, really serious about shooting things," Morgan said, noting that hunters from New York City, Missouri and Kansas have taken the course, which includes a four-hour class and 30 minutes of learning airborne target practice.

Vertex has secured landowners' permission to hunt on more than 150,000 acres across the state and is negotiating to add another 550,000 acres, he said.

The company has booked more than 30 hunts with a three-hour minimum of flight time. Most shooters are scheduling five hours to six hours, he said.

"In the big picture it's not that expensive," Morgan said. "You have people paying $10,000 for one deer. At $475 an hour, it's barely a drop in the bucket for serious hunters."

'Not a joke anymore'
State Rep. Sid Miller, R-Stephenville, who sponsored the "pork chopper" legislation, is all too familiar with the hog problem.

The beasts laid waste to his commercial nursery one night last week.

"They probably did $3,000 damage. It looked like World War II where they went through," Miller said.

He's hopeful the aerial hunts will have an impact.

"It's the most effective means we have right now. They get wise to trapping. Hunters might get one or two a night," he said.

"It's not a joke anymore. They cause almost half a billion dollars in damage in our state. Our wildlife services has been spending $25 million a year trying to control them," Miller said. "It's not just an agricultural problem. Now they are uprooting tombstones in cemeteries; they are damaging golf courses, city parks and suburban lawns."

Until now, only landowners who were suffering property damage from the marauding hogs have been allowed to hire helicopter outfits to pull the trigger. Property owners frequently would band together and get a landowners permit from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department that would allow them to hire helicopter companies to kill hogs.

A group of about 125 people with 32,000 acres in Haskell County hired a company that eradicated about 4,000 hogs in less than three years, said Steve Alsabrook, who farms in Haskell, about 50 miles north of Abilene.

"We basically controlled them. We grow wheat, cotton and milo, and it got so bad that we quit growing milo -- it's like candy to them," he said. "We went back to growing crops.

"The coyotes and turkey vultures ate pretty good while we were flying," he said.

In 2010, 14,811 hogs were killed through the program statewide. Airborne gunners dispatched 17,743 hogs in 2009 and 18,578 in 2008, said Harmony Garcia, who handles the 150 or so active aerial permits for the parks and wildlife agency.

"People have been waiting for this. It's going to be interesting," she said.

Carter Smith, director of the state wildlife agency, says feral hogs are almost everywhere in Texas.

"They have become pervasive in the last couple of decades. They are causing great damage. And as a state we have really struggled to control their numbers," he said. "We haven't slowed their progress in any measurable way." Smith cautions that "our war on feral hogs" is going to be a long campaign.

"The department is supportive of any lawful and ethical tool," he said.

Difficult shooting

Even from 50 feet up in the air, shooting a 300-pound hog that is running 35 mph out of a helicopter that is going between 30 and 65 mph is no easy feat, Morgan said.

"Most people can't hit the target. We've found that less than 15 percent of the rounds hit the target. It's a huge eye-opener, actually it's a punch in the gut, because these people are serious shooters," he said.

Jess Stark, an avid hunter who owns a compressor manufacturing business in Houston, said helicopter shooting is "extremely difficult. It's a lot harder than it looks.

"It's not particularly comfortable. You're strapped in but you are leaning out and trying to get on target. There's a lot of movement. And the field of fire is restricted," said Stark, 75, who is also a firearms instructor for the Harris County Sheriff's Department. "Afterward, I told the people in the class I think I could nail it down after 2,000 or 3,000 rounds," he said.

Helicopter hunting is also risky, Morgan said.

"It's incredibly dangerous; it's probably the most dangerous method of hunting out there," he said. "You're shooting semiautomatic assault rifles out of a helicopter at altitudes of about 50 feet. There are some major risks here. We can mitigate some of the risk by training people properly.

"You're going to have two types of hunters: cowboys and pros. The pros take things seriously; the cowboys don't give a crap as long as they get to shoot something.

"Our goal is to make sure we don't have a bunch of cowboys jumping in helicopters and going, 'Yeehaw.'"

Will the pork choppers put a dent in the hog population?

Alsabrook, the Haskell farmer, says there will be one way to know.

"They may tell a lot of damn stories, but the proof is going to be in the turkey buzzards."
 
Perhaps this will finally make "When Pigs Fly..." a chance at aerial combat?
 
This sounds like it would be a BLAST.

Go on youtube, there are a couple of videos out on this. Sure looks like fun. Some of them are using semi-auto shotguns instead of AR-15 type rifles, a bit more downtime to re-load probably but slightly less need to get a perfect hit.

The key skill seems to be not to shoot off ones own foot or to get hit by a ricochet from one that hits the helos skid.
 
Sign me up. My AR's nicer than his AR.
 
I have a pretty good size place in North East Texas. We are becoming over run with these giant rodents(yeah, I know, they're technically swines, not rodents.) I was approached by a group wanting me to kick in several thousand dollars for funding one of these helicopter hunters. I told them that I would think about it.

I then talked to a few neighbors who told me that the helicopter hunter hadn't bagged a single animal in three days. That same day a kid on a four wheeler with a rifle was rolling down the fence line on one of my neighbors places. I talked to him for a minute and asked him if he had killed any hogs. He had killed seven in the previous three days. I decided a donation to the kid on the four wheeler would be a better investment.

BTW, I was given a ride in a Bell 47 and the pilot flew from the left seat.

Doc
 
Is 5.56mm a good round for these big hogs? I think I'd rather have a .308, 7MM-08, .243, etc.
 
I think a 5.56 is too small. My buddy went hog hunting in Texas this past year and used his .300WSM. He said it was way more than enough. Got 5 hogs in 3 days, one shot kills on them all. Even though the hogs are becoming a nuisance, it is still imperative for every hunting to make a quick, humane kill. A 5.56 with good shot placement can do the job, but why take the chance?. I don't like the picture because I think it puts hunting in a bad light. Leaning out the side of a helicopter with ar AR like you are a SEAL just gives the wrong impression. It gives the non/anti-hunting and gun groups the impression that hunters are nothing but cold-blooded animal killers that don't respect nature and wildlife. For 99.9% of hunters, that's the complete opposite. While I can see the advantages of using a helicopter for hunting, the picture is completely bad press.
 
^^^^^^^

Josh,

I totally agree. Nobody I know hunts in Ninja like or SEAL type clothing using an AR-15, etc. The only guys I knew using AR-15, when I lived in Colorado were the long range, Prarie Dog hunters. I think that's a perfect rifle for that use. Talk about a nuisance. More cattle and horses break legs because of their holes than anything. They even almost destroyed the underpinings of a large building we managed for a client outside of Denver. :mad:

Most people I know hunt with your typical bolt or lever action, but some are using "military style" rifles in states that allow it(AR, SKS, etc). Nothing wrong with it, just leave the attitude, if any, at home.
 
A good hit from a 5.56/.223 would do the job. You might not get an immediate drop but it wouldn't live long.

And separating the cowboys from the pros? really? It would have to be all for sport because you're just not going to get many successful hits that way no matter how good a shot you are. Anyone hog hunting from a helicopter is a cowboy out for some fun. And I've got no problem with that.

(next week both Sporty's and Cheaper Than Dirt will have big ol' watches for "professional" helicopter hog hunters)
 
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It's those cowboys not making successful hits that I don't like. I'm sure the helicopters come into a hover to make as stable a platform as possible for the shooters, but it will still be a hard shot. Most hunters take their guns out of the safe a week before the season starts, shoot a few rounds at a target to make sure their scope is set, then head off to the woods. And most never practice at shooting at angles. If hunters go helicopter hunting, I really hope the hunters would put in some serious range time beforehand.
 
I think a 5.56 is too small. My buddy went hog hunting in Texas this past year and used his .300WSM. He said it was way more than enough. Got 5 hogs in 3 days, one shot kills on them all. Even though the hogs are becoming a nuisance, it is still imperative for every hunting to make a quick, humane kill. A 5.56 with good shot placement can do the job, but why take the chance?. I don't like the picture because I think it puts hunting in a bad light. Leaning out the side of a helicopter with ar AR like you are a SEAL just gives the wrong impression. It gives the non/anti-hunting and gun groups the impression that hunters are nothing but cold-blooded animal killers that don't respect nature and wildlife. For 99.9% of hunters, that's the complete opposite. While I can see the advantages of using a helicopter for hunting, the picture is completely bad press.

This is not hunting. This control of a agricultural pest, similar to culling deer or poisoning rabbits. They also leave the carcasses to rot, something I dont consider sportsmanslike behaviour either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiHmYsyVniE

This is a pretty dynamic thing, not much hovering going on (note the laser sight). The hogs go about 30mph once they are on the run. This has been done from supercubs and champs for other species (e.g. coyote) for a long time.

I wish those yahoos were wearing helmets and fire-retardant flightsuits rather than hunting camo. You are in a helicopter, the hog is going to see you whether you wear bright orange or camo drenched in deer pee. This is ag-flying, not hunting. In case of an engine failure you will probably have a hard landing, possibly a rollover. .
 
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I'm sure the helicopters come into a hover to make as stable a platform as possible for the shooters...

Pure speculation here, but I wouldn't think so. It takes time to do a quick-stop to a hover and once you do you've already scared the hog and he's off and running. But also, at a hover there's still some movement in the helicopter, whereas at a slow but steady speed I would think the hunter would be able to draw a more steady bead on the hog.

Again, pure specultation.
 
That's a 300C, pilot flies from the left seat.
I suspect a right-seat position for the shooter is preferred, in any case. A right-handed shooter hanging out the left-side door won't be able to aim forward as easily.

Ron Wanttaja
 
No time in choppers for me, but aren't they a little difficult / bouncy in a hover because of their own rotor wash? I thought that once you hit about 20-30 knots speed this becomes significantly reduced
 
I used to do some of this years ago with coyotes out in West Texas, it's very difficult to put a shot on target. We were using SKS rifles at the time, just rapid fire at a target and walk the dust trail into them, I don't think we ever got more than 10% of our shots on target. It is an awful lot of fun though...
 
While this does sound fun, I think that if they are trying to solve a problem then they need to come up with a better solution. It sounds like this company is more interested in capitalizing on this (not a bad thing) then trying to fix a problem. While this does sound fun, I don't agree with it being called hunting.
 
shots per hit don't seem too outrageous here




pretty decent hit count here, too

 
While this does sound fun, I think that if they are trying to solve a problem then they need to come up with a better solution. It sounds like this company is more interested in capitalizing on this (not a bad thing) then trying to fix a problem. While this does sound fun, I don't agree with it being called hunting.

Some landowners have found this a worthwhile use of their money to reduce losses due to hogs.
The only new thing seems to be that the helo outfits are now allowed to charge the shooter rather than the landowner.
 
Wow! Death from above. Didn't one of those guys look like Robert Duvall?

:D
 
They also leave the carcasses to rot, something I dont consider sportsmanslike behaviour either.
I agree with this. And prefer something I saw on a TV show where they trapped some feral hogs. The animals were turned over to a local butcher and charity agency who turned the hogs into food for local shelters for homeless and other folks trying to get back on their feet but can't afford much food.

Like you guys say about the right ammo helping with a humane kill, there's no reason to allow the meat to not go to a worthy cause.
 
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