General Aviation needs a PR makeover

This is exactly what I am talking about. How do we generate a shift to get more bodies interested in flying? Yes, airplanes, but powered parachutes, ultralights, etc all contribute...

We do that by stopping to try hard and get "new blood" and instead concentrate on making the show more fun.

Works out for me - and I sell airplanes for a living. I learned from observing - competitors were spending resources on ads and trying to be annoying and omnipresent - I started off with a limited budget in a **** poor economy, and I'm still here. I might not be setting the world on fire with sales, but the vast majority of my customers are referrals from other customers.

Flying is a demanding hobby - the cost of entry is fairly steep and (as a thread nearby suggests) hobby pilots don't always know what to do with that Private ticket. I know I didn't.

I think the best way to go about it is through providing information*. I liked the idea I saw in my old flight school newsletter - a couple of times they included ideas for some season-appropriate destinations - day trips and overnighters - pretty pictures and all. I know I'd take a trip or two - just like in boating - "Oh, there's this new restaurant up the river, you'll love it".

For me taking time trying to figure out what would work for that particular person pays off. I don't try to upsell customers with avionics they will never use or a 206 when they really need a 150. Oh, and never buy an airplane if you don't like it from the get go. Even if it has a ton of bells and whistles and should fit your mission best. If your guy doesn't like the toy, he won't use it. It'll sit and rot and create bad PR.

Happy participants generate a buzz - new people will be coming in because they want to. Provide information, but don't overstretch it - "Oh, those two guys could have become pilots and airplane owners and valuable members of the flying society if only someone knocked on their door and handed them a brochure and told them how great it is". Bulls__t. If they so wanted to, they'd find a way. Many people I started flying with don't do it anymore. Some have found other, more fulfilling hobbies (believe it or not. Scuba diving is one), some just never wanted it that bad.
My college buddy always wanted to fly. We built close to a gazillion scaled models together, and would talk airplanes over the beer (instead of the normal freshman year subjects) every time. Fast forward a few years - I found a place to fly (only a two hour drive from the city) and was flying there for a while. He wanted to come every single Saturday and never did. First time I managed to drag him out was by an evil plot - I stuck him into the car and drove him there. He loved flying. Said he was a fool not to have done it earlier.
Another few months of "this coming Saturday I'm gonna come over". Finally it ended up in a "aw, screw you, not talking to you about flying ever again" conversation and sure enough, a couple of hours later he was at the airport. Made good progress to pre-solo in just a few flight hours. That was seven years ago. He still comes out to the airport here and there for an hour or two. Hasn't soloed yet. Says he'll come over for a visit and we'll go fly.
Another friend started flying because he was... very uncomfortable flying airlines. Some barriers on the way, but now he's been coast to coast and up and down this country a few times is his 172XP. Because he really wanted to do it this way.

So... Instead of the "aviation is dying we need more new pilots!" let's just keep making aviation fun.
"Because being a part of something that is dying stinks"(c)

*Please don't confuse providing information with education. Not everyone enjoys being a "student pilot", moreover permanently. If you're an instructor, that guy in the left seat is a paying customer, not "my student Joe". Besides the retarded lawsuits and resulting liability insurance for anything and everything, that loss of connection with the entry level is the greatest evil that hurts GA.

P.S. In retrospect, in my daily activities I feel like an aviation motivational speaker that happens to be selling airplanes
 
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Flying IS affordable.

Three years ago, I owned a 1/3rd share of an Ercoupe that burned 4 gallons per hour of car gas, and was more fun to fly than anything.

My grand, total investment in that plane was the princely sum of $6000.

Same price as my motorcycle.

We have to stop thinking "Cirrus" for new pilots, and aim at the entry level, where planes ARE affordable, or GA is lost.

Exactly. We need those flying for the sake of flying, not those wanting to impress those around them with their shiny new purchase. They may as well buy a Corvette.
 
And we're thinking that 70-year old two-seat airplanes is the way it will happen?

Exactly. We need those flying for the sake of flying, not those wanting to impress those around them with their shiny new purchase. They may as well buy a Corvette.
 
My grand, total investment in that plane was the princely sum of $6000.

If you say so. I know quite a number of people for whom that $6000 is simply very far out of reach. We both live in resort towns. You KNOW how the locals live, right? Many of these guys have to scrounge to get 10 gallons of auto gas in their cars, or get their $20 radiator hose replaced. Only a small number are successful business owners or professionals, and just just dropping $6000 on anything is impossible. These are the guys driving the $500 rust buckets around town.
 
Great footage! Those are some Radical Dudes and most excellent pilots, wonder how long they'll live....

Second that
Used to know a dude doing a lot of the ground launch stuff
To the best of my knowledge he's around, but geez is he beat up
Had his spine broken, multiple occasions of grass rash (that grass peels your skin off better than asphalt). Ugh..
 
If you say so. I know quite a number of people for whom that $6000 is simply very far out of reach. We both live in resort towns. You KNOW how the locals live, right? Many of these guys have to scrounge to get 10 gallons of auto gas in their cars, or get their $20 radiator hose replaced. Only a small number are successful business owners or professionals, and just just dropping $6000 on anything is impossible. These are the guys driving the $500 rust buckets around town.

Of course, there will always be poor people, and they won't be flying spam cans.

That doesn't change the fact that every weekend we see hundreds of motorcycles here that cost far more than my investment in the Ercoupe. Those young men managed to scrape up $6000 to $10000, or more, (sometimes far more), to buy two wheeled vehicles. They simply have no idea that they could buy one with wings, instead.

Why? Because aviation has done such a ****-poor job of marketing that practically no one knows. Hell, people on this board don't even know it!

When I tell people that planes cost less than Beemers, they simply do not believe it. Or they think they must be unsafe at that price.

Meanwhile, my Pathfinder -- an aircraft that has carried my family everywhere on this continent for 12 years -- is for sale for just $69K. Less than a nice, German car.
 
Boating Coolness Factor = ho-hum
Aviation Coolness Factor= Priceless
not for everyone. Here's a photo essay comparing my 7-year-old's impression of our plane vs our boat.

Boats and planes are both similarly expensive and inpossible to rationalize in the manner of an accountant. However, in general boats provide a lot of intangible benefit in the form of family time. Planes are typically more of a selfish endeavor for mom or dad alone, with the rest of the family ambivalent at best.
 

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not for everyone. Here's a photo essay comparing my 7-year-old's impression of our plane vs our boat.

Boats and planes are both similarly expensive and inpossible to rationalize in the manner of an accountant. However, in general boats provide a lot of intangible benefit in the form of family time. Planes are typically more of a selfish endeavor for mom or dad alone, with the rest of the family ambivalent at best.

An Amphib aircraft can be helpful for problem children that like water.
 
How "useful" is it to provide transportation? Is it really useful to transport people to Disneyworld? Is growing tobacco actually useful?

So, yes, let's be honest.

btw - What kind of world is it that denies the usefulness of achieving flight?

Neither of those examples are included in the list I gave. Notice the "usually" thing? No, transportation for recreation is not useful. Transportation for production, delivery, research, negotiation, etc. is useful. And I don't know anyone who intentionally eats tobacco. It's not food.

The point of recreation is that it is NOT useful. Characterizing it otherwise will smell like BS to the unwashed masses. And they would be right.

The first rule of "PR" is not to treat your audience like they are stupid. Most of us don't fly because we get some kind of tangible benefit from it, and pretending we do does no good to anyone.
 
The most important part is, don't BS.

"Flying is affordable." No, it isn't. Joe Blow making $20/hour at a really well paying supermarket can't afford it. As soon as it becomes only for professionals, the argument is defeated.

I make 20$ an hour and I fly I have aprx 30 hours of instruction thus far and have soloed.
 

1We need to make flying appear affordable to the public.
2.

Demonstrate the utility and value of GA.
3.

Embrace technology while not forgetting the rest of the fleet.
4.

Dispel myths about flying.



1. Starting off with a lie, isn't a good idea.
2. Compared to what? The airlines? You'll lose. People can cross the continent in all weather for $120 any time they choose.
3. Most pilots embrace all sorts of technology. Good luck finding it anywhere close to normal street price after it goes thru FAA certification. GPS is a mighty fine example.
4. Start with that whole "it's affordable" myth then.

Aviation for recreation in powered aircraft is freaking expensive. In non-powered aircraft, less so.

The American public is in debt to its eyeballs and rarely has $10K lying around just to get the Private rating.

Average U.S. Household credit card debt, $15K. And overall, credit card debt is lower than student loan debt. And both are way WAY less than mortgage debt.

2013 numbers:

http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/credit-card-data/average-credit-card-debt-household/

Your starting premise that it's not expensive, is broken.
 
Too hard to ski behind it on our river. Too slow to fly to the florida panhandle.

I see, more challenging than usual. Two solutions present:
1. A Seawind and learn to use it well on the step.
2. Psychotherapy for the problem child.
 
And there is no value in recreation? I bet all of the marinas and boat repair shops would disagree with you.

I'm a boater and former yacht owner. Trying to compare recreational boating to flying is no comparison.

not for everyone. Here's a photo essay comparing my 7-year-old's impression of our plane vs our boat.

Boats and planes are both similarly expensive and inpossible to rationalize in the manner of an accountant. However, in general boats provide a lot of intangible benefit in the form of family time. Planes are typically more of a selfish endeavor for mom or dad alone, with the rest of the family ambivalent at best.

Exactly. :thumbsup:
 
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I'm a boater and former yacht owner. Trying to compare recreational boating to flying is no comparison.



Exactly. :thumbsup:

Every time I mention buying a boat to Mary, now that we live in the boating capitol of Texas, she just rolls her eyes and says "Why?"

The only thing I can think to say is "Cuz every other guy on the island has one!". :rolleyes: :D

In my observation, most boats are floating bars that never leave dock. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
Every time I mention buying a boat to Mary, now that we live in the boating capitol of Texas, she just rolls her eyes and says "Why?"

The only thing I can think to say is "Cuz every other guy on the island has one!". :rolleyes: :D

In my observation, most boats are floating bars that never leave dock. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Boating is not for everyone, neither is flying. Thus we have motorcycling, 4 wheeling, bungee jumping, etc, etc.

Our boats were very enjoyable whether we went out on the water or stayed in the marina. It was a nice weekend getaway the whole family enjoyed.
 
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