Re: Fuel Stain....riiiiight.
Henning said:
At this point, it's all opinion with no proof, so I tend to keep an open mind.
Well I can only gather you are referring to the Jesus quote. The clone question about identity and predestination was scientifically answered. Clones are not identical persons, hence the clone does not have to follow, and will not follow the exact path of the genetic donor. Hence the predestination issue is moot. No "dogma" here, just biology and physics.
Henning said:
I didn't think more was required.
Usually questions ( a sentence with a "?" thingy) are a request for more information. You said you were an ordained minister. "Minister" usually refers to one who serves in a christian protestant faith. Wiccans, druids, satanists, jews, buddists, hindus, catholics, and muslims (to name a few) do not generally use the word "minister" to describe themselves. I was more than a little surprised that someone claiming to be an "ordained minister" would be unfamiler with John chapter 3, and would refer to it as a "sentiment"
Henning said:
You put forth your sentiment as if it was "The Way".
I put forth
JESUS' statement as the answer to your question. However anybody may personally feel about Jesus, he
was a historical figure about who's existence there is little doubt (even among those who despise him). You were wondering essentially (but not in these words) wondering if a clone could have eternal life or even a relationship to god (ie: a soul). I gave you a quote from one of history's great acknowledged philosophers. To me the quote meant that while there is nothing unatural or wrong with man creating human life, only God (the nith dimension if you prefer) can create a soul. If I had quoted Sarte would you have said I was spouting dogma???
Like an idiot, I was under the impression an "ordained minister" would recognize a Gospel quote and either expound upon or rebutt it's relevance to a clone. Boy, was I wrong. No one to blame here but myself.
Now, that "ninth dimension" business indeed appears to be your "sentiment". I've not heard the theory in any of my research in physics, world religions, or great philosophers. I and others asked for, are still waiting on, more info on the "ninth dimension" Can you at least provide some guidance documents???
Henning said:
I merely pointed out that I may not subscribe to the same "truths" as you.
That much is certainly indisputable. The difference is I'm willing to put mine out there for rebuttal. We don't have any idea what your "truths" are. You want to have "snappy comment fun", not genuine philosophical discourse, and I'm tired of being toyed with.
larrysb was right. Sorry folks. I'm done.