Formation Flight Question?

Discussion in 'Aerobatics' started by Serge Byakov, Mar 16, 2017.

  1. Serge Byakov

    Serge Byakov Filing Flight Plan

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    just a quickie!!

    Formation flight, is it as simple as requesting formation flight from ATC or is there paperwork that needs to be done? Endorsements to be had?
     
  2. Dana

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    No endorsements out paperwork, just agreement between all pilots involved. ATC not involved at all, unless you're in class B, C, or D airspace, and then you just call in as "flight of two" (or whatever number).
     
  3. Salty

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    Do you mean flight following rather than formation flight?
     
  4. flyingron

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    Well, it is always good to have some actual training before you randomly go out to form up on someone. I got some real nice formation training from Snowbird 10 last summer at Oshkosh.

    But as far as legalities go, the only ones really are 91.111(b): PICs must agree and (c): no carrying passengers for hire.

    Operationally, the lead ship calls in as flight of n. ATC may or may not want the wingmen to turn off their transponders (usually they do).
     
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  6. Velocity173

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    Gotta be talking about flight following.

    For formation flight, as Ron pointed out, 91.111. Notify ATC you're a "flight of (number) (type aircraft)." For VFR they generally don't increase any separation. For IFR, they'll add a mile to standard sep. Most civ aircraft aren't flying formation IFR though.
     
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    The only situation where something more than just the intent/agreement to fly multiple planes in close proximity is legally required is if you want to fly formation in what's called "waivered airspace". An example would be doing a fly-by (in formation) at Oshkosh.