Flying into controlled airspace without a transponder?

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My transponder is now at a the local class Charlie airport undergoing repair. The repairers want to charge me $100 to bring it back, in addition to the cost of installation and repair. What do I have to do to fly the airplane to them sans transponder, to allow them to put the transponder back into the airplane at their home base. Call me cheap (lots of folks have) but I balk on someone charging me $100 for a short crosstown drive.
 
My transponder is now at a the local class Charlie airport undergoing repair. The repairers want to charge me $100 to bring it back, in addition to the cost of installation and repair. What do I have to do to fly the airplane to them sans transponder, to allow them to put the transponder back into the airplane at their home base. Call me cheap (lots of folks have) but I balk on someone charging me $100 for a short crosstown drive.

Just give the TRACON a call on the phone and work it out. With an avionics repair facility on the field they've no doubt done this before.
 
At a minimum, you are going to need to coordinate in advance with the appropriate Approach facility. You may even need to coordinate with the FSDO, but I would try to give the Approach guys a call and see what they say.

If you have to get the FSDO involved.....you may want to either suck it up and pay the $100 or get in your car and drive.
 
At a minimum, you are going to need to coordinate in advance with the appropriate Approach facility. You may even need to coordinate with the FSDO, but I would try to give the Approach guys a call and see what they say.

If you have to get the FSDO involved.....you may want to either suck it up and pay the $100 or get in your car and drive.

Never heard of getting FSDO involved for a quick in and out of Charlie airspace. Just make a telephone call to the ATC radar facility and tell them you are coming in to get your transponder serviced. They can give you a verbal for the waiver and shouldn't be a problem. Happens all of the time.
 
Never heard of getting FSDO involved for a quick in and out of Charlie airspace. Just make a telephone call to the ATC radar facility and tell them you are coming in to get your transponder serviced. They can give you a verbal for the waiver and shouldn't be a problem. Happens all of the time.

No reason to get FSDO involved, the regulation covers this very situation:


Title 14: Aeronautics and Space

PART 91—GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES

Subpart C—Equipment, Instrument, and Certificate Requirements

§ 91.215 ATC transponder and altitude reporting equipment and use.

(a) All airspace: U.S.-registered civil aircraft. For operations not conducted under part 121 or 135 of this chapter, ATC transponder equipment installed must meet the performance and environmental requirements of any class of TSO-C74b (Mode A) or any class of TSO-C74c (Mode A with altitude reporting capability) as appropriate, or the appropriate class of TSO-C112 (Mode S).

(b) All airspace. Unless otherwise authorized or directed by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft in the airspace described in paragraphs (b)(1) through (b)(5) of this section, unless that aircraft is equipped with an operable coded radar beacon transponder having either Mode 3/A 4096 code capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by ATC, or a Mode S capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by ATC and intermode and Mode S interrogations in accordance with the applicable provisions specified in TSO C–112, and that aircraft is equipped with automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having a Mode C capability that automatically replies to Mode C interrogations by transmitting pressure altitude information in 100-foot increments. This requirement applies—

(1) All aircraft. In Class A, Class B, and Class C airspace areas;

(2) All aircraft. In all airspace within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 of this part from the surface upward to 10,000 feet MSL;

(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon or glider may conduct operations in the airspace within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 of this part provided such operations are conducted—

(i) Outside any Class A, Class B, or Class C airspace area; and

(ii) Below the altitude of the ceiling of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport or 10,000 feet MSL, whichever is lower; and

(4) All aircraft in all airspace above the ceiling and within the lateral boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport upward to 10,000 feet MSL; and

(5) All aircraft except any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon, or glider—

(i) In all airspace of the 48 contiguous states and the District of Columbia at and above 10,000 feet MSL, excluding the airspace at and below 2,500 feet above the surface; and

(ii) In the airspace from the surface to 10,000 feet MSL within a 10-nautical-mile radius of any airport listed in appendix D, section 2 of this part, excluding the airspace below 1,200 feet outside of the lateral boundaries of the surface area of the airspace designated for that airport.

(c) Transponder-on operation. While in the airspace as specified in paragraph (b) of this section or in all controlled airspace, each person operating an aircraft equipped with an operable ATC transponder maintained in accordance with §91.413 of this part shall operate the transponder, including Mode C equipment if installed, and shall reply on the appropriate code or as assigned by ATC.

(d) ATC authorized deviations. Requests for ATC authorized deviations must be made to the ATC facility having jurisdiction over the concerned airspace within the time periods specified as follows:

(1) For operation of an aircraft with an operating transponder but without operating automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having a Mode C capability, the request may be made at any time.

(2) For operation of an aircraft with an inoperative transponder to the airport of ultimate destination, including any intermediate stops, or to proceed to a place where suitable repairs can be made or both, the request may be made at any time.

(3) For operation of an aircraft that is not equipped with a transponder, the request must be made at least one hour before the proposed operation.
 
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