FlyBlackBird.com: Yet another desires to be the Uber of the Skies

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  1. flyingron

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    Gee, some of us obey the law even if we don't think anybody is watching us. I hate to see what your attitude to flight safety and regulatory compliance comes to when you don't think the FAA will be able to tell what you're doing.
     
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    I don't wear my seatbelt when taxiing from the hangar to the gas pumps.

    If you pick up a dollar that you find on the street do you report that to the IRS too? GMAFB.
     
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    The FAA is more like the Queen of the air - what they say goes, unless/until the King (Federal courts) says otherwise. Maybe the VC has the money to get the King's ear, though I agree with you and others - it sounds like a violation of the spirit and intent, and you'd believe a FAA legal team could make a coherent argument to support that opinion - be an unusual judge who would find against the FAA's position.

    No fan of the FAA - and some of the opinions look as though their aviation expertise isn't very broad, or deep. Or, they just aren't very bright. But I wouldn't be outraged if they shut this down - it's a long standing, consistent, and clear division, not at all ambiguous, and with rational intent.
     
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    Really? I do. **** happens on the ground, too.
     
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    Seems like apples and oranges. I wear my seatbelt in the airplane for my own protection.

    The found money is indeed income. But the IRS generally doesn't care about de minimus amounts of anything.
     
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    This one looks more like a legit small commuter airline. Regularly scheduled flights, etc. No mention of hooking up random pilots, planes,and passengers. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have all of the proper operators’ certificates, paperwork, etc. Nothing wrong with small. I have a friend who has a part 135 charter operation with a Cessna 182.

    Much different from these “matching services” which seem to be trying to skirt the rules and provide flights to paying passengers without going through the work to get a 135 certificate.


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    Surf Air is another arranger of "private flights," but they have been operating successfully for six years, using "DOT-registered air carriers" to provide the actual transportation. From the bottom of their Web page:

    "Surf Air does not own or operate any aircraft. Surf Air arranges travel and other services solely as a manager of the Surf Air membership program and as an agent of its membership. All flights arranged by Surf Air for its members are performed by independent, third party FAA-licensed and DOT-registered air carriers."
    http://www.surfair.com/
     
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    Ooo, no. Don’t assume VC means smart or not easily fooled. I’ve seen a CEO getting several VC investments from several smart people adding up to to about $50m, with nothing but vaporware and empty promises of something that has no hope of ever making money or getting sold. He just personally wanted the product to be created for himself and got the VCs to fund it.

    You just need a charismatic CEO with no sense of ethics and you’d be surprised how easy it is to get money from VC’s.
     
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    This company is trying to be the Uber of the skies. Except I’m sure they’re finding out fairy quickly that they're dealing with commercial pilots. Without us the planes don’t fly for hire under part 91 or 135. I’m not putting my hard earned cert. or integrity on the line just because someone decided something is fine. We will do our best to make the final decision as to what will happen under our authority to ensure compliance and the safe outcome of the flight or even if there is going to be one. When in doubt, You can always call up the local FSDO for clarification.
     
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    They do appear to be aware of that; their Web site says that they're exclusively using commercially-certified pilots.

    Good idea.
     
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    Gee for me it says:
    Error establishing a database connection
     
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    Must have been a temporary outage. It seems to be working now.
     
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    That's a pretty interesting interpretation of the Internal Revenue Code Section 61. Let me know how that position holds up when the IRS comes by.