Flight simulator time

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  1. KaiGywer

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    I am getting close to my checkride, and want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row. I read that per the 2010 Gatlin FAA interpretation, you have to be a CFII. I have 3.2 hours of flight simulator time given by an IGI in 2003, which would be prior to Gatlin, but after the 1980 Ruth interpretation. Ruth states an IGI can give flight simulator instruction. Would that time still be good, or do I need to get up in the air and do some simulated instrument with my CFII before going for the checkride? I have 0.8 hrs of sim time from a CFII and 0.7 hood time with a CFII.

    Comments, concerns?
     
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    I am not familiar with either of your named rulings but I know many many years ago IGI's were giving sim instruction and getting away with it. Not any more. Gotta be a CFI to give sim instruction that is being used in place of required flight instruction.
    I would advise you to confer with the CFI who is recommending you for your checkride.
     
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    Which checkride? Private or Instrument? If it's Private, the instructor giving the training need only have a CFI-A, not CFI-A-IA, since that is "training in a single-engine airplane on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by reference to instruments", not "instrument training". However, per 14 CFR 61.109(k)(1), the max sim time allowed towards PP is 2.5 hours unless you're in a Part 141/142 program (which it sounds like you're not), so you're going to need some airplane time no matter what. OTOH, for IR, it would have to be a CFI-A-IA. But either way, the time with a GI-I doesn't count.
    Then it sounds like you're working on PP, you have 1.5 of the required 3 hours, and you're going to need at least 1.5 more hours of instrument time in either the sim or the plane with an instructor (either CFI-A-IA or CFI-A) to meet the requirements of 61.109(a).
     
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    just go out and fly the airplane and get more real dlight training experience before the checkride instead of debating and trying to decipher 30+ year old interpretations/rulings. you will need to fly after the checkride anyways.
     
  5. James331

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    That's about that.

    If you're working on your private you really shouldn't be wasting time in a sim, sims arnt for VFR, go get in a plane, look out the windows, feel what the airframe is telling you and aviate.
     
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    While I agree with the last part, I disagree with the first part. The sim can be quite useful for learning how to interpret and use the flight instruments to control the plane solely by reference to the instruments. An hour or two in the sim can be a lot more productive in that area (including learning how to use the VOR effectively and accurately) than time spent in the plane. However, you do need some time in the plane to practice those areas once you learn how to do those things in the sim, because for this level of flight simulation device, the airborne reality is never quite like the sim.
     
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    Thanks for the answers. Rather than worry about it, I took the easy route and went up with my instructor yesterday and punched holes in the sky without seeing a thing. Got enough hood time to qualify even without the "gray area" sim time.