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§ 21.5 Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.
(a) With each airplane or rotorcraft not type certificated with an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual and having no flight time before March 1, 1979, the holder of a type certificate (including amended or supplemental type certificates) or the licensee of a type certificate must make available to the owner at the time of delivery of the aircraft a current approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.

Does a 1948 C-170 require a flight manual?
 
Tom-D said:
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§ 21.5 Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.
(a) With each airplane or rotorcraft not type certificated with an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual and having no flight time before March 1, 1979, the holder of a type certificate (including amended or supplemental type certificates) or the licensee of a type certificate must make available to the owner at the time of delivery of the aircraft a current approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.

Does a 1948 C-170 require a flight manual?
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I would say so. It has a TCDS and a published Airplane Flight Manual (one page front/back).
 
Doesn't the 48 pre-date the requirement?
 
Tom-D said:
Doesn't the 48 pre-date the requirement?
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It may have been designed and produced before the 1979 requirement, but it was still produced with a CAA approved AFM, so unless I am mistaken, you must carry that document in the aircraft.
 
Tom, that's the way I read it. If it never flew before 1979 it needs a serial number specific book. Yours doesn't, it just gets the generic book and you can replace it yourself with a copy, without getting a specific new one from cessna . Sound right ?
 
I think the key here is "...not type certificated with an airplane...flight manual..."

The 170, 170A and 170B were certificated with an AFM and therefore this regulation doesn't apply. I think :redface:

Regardless, the approved CAA AFM and applicable supplements are considered required interior equipment as per the Cessna 170 Type Certificate Data Sheet, page 11, item 402.
 
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...and required supplements. For example: With my nonstandard engine installed, I have to carry an additional one page of old, barely legible text copied multiple times attached to the two pages of old, barely legible text copied multiple times :wink2: describing specific engine operating ranges and limitations, and a small sticker from my VG installation STC paperwork that is attached to the bottom of the AFM page 2.

Edit: I know you know that Tom just holding forth for the general good.
 
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alaskaflyer said:
Edit: I know you know that Tom just holding forth for the general good.
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Actually it is a portion of the TCDS.

from the TCDS
Interior Equipment

CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual and pertinent revisions applicable to the particular model, serial number, and landing gear installation.
 
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Fearless Tower said:
It may have been designed and produced before the 1979 requirement, but it was still produced with a CAA approved AFM, so unless I am mistaken, you must carry that document in the aircraft.
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Correct. It's a type certificate requirement. The regulation does not replace that, but merely adds the requirement for post-1979 aircraft for which there is no AFM requirement in their type certificate. If you have a question about that, have your FSDO Airworthiness Inspector contact Ray Stinchcomb in AFS-810.
 
Tom,

The FAA (at least the SEA FSDO) required a POH for my 1945 J-3 Cub...even though they were never certified with a POH as we know it. I use a combination of the factory produced 'How to Fly a Cub" pamphlet along with a modern "checklist" which is so minimal is comical.

Keep in mind I use my plane commercially so it may be under more scrutiny than most.

Mike-
 
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