First cross country solo...and a big mistake!

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  1. mscard88

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    And that's a big airport! At least ya didn't land at the military field, Navy or Air Force depending when you did this.
     
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    Did this exact same thing!


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    DPE did that on my check ride and made sure it was directly under me and required a good bank to see it ... I knew where I was as soon as the foggles were lifted, and went straight after it.

    To the OP: you're going to have other destinations that are hard to pick out. I've had two ... one was Fullerton and I had been there before a few times from Texas, but not coming from Mariposa (from the north) at end of day in haze with the sun at the horizon. The other was a runway that was being used as a dragstrip also, (no runways markings-worn off) and a guard rail on half of the taxiway for the drag races. Only spotted it due to the banner tow plane parked in an empty spot nearby.
     
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    My CFI used to say that, too!
     
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    First off, you learned something and that is good. I think a lot of the problem was the way people are teaching with electronics. As it's been said, you need to compare what you see to the chart in the iPad. To many instructors just do the follow the line method. What I like to do is get back to old school. Plot the course on the iPad and then turn the tracking off and use time, landmarks and comparing the chart to what you see. A couple of short flights like that will help tremendously.

    Bob
     
  6. injb

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    Thanks for all the input everyone. All great advice. I do want to do more dead reckoning flights (only did one so far, my first x/c). I think my instructor is more concerned with getting me used to ATC comms so we've been going with flight following + gps for everything after the first one.

    I've been watching my video footage and it was interesting how many details I had forgotten about that part of the flight.

    In the video, just as the airport comes into view I'm actually not too far off course, but there's a flurry of activity on the radio. At this point, I had expected to be handed off to another approach frequency (Hulman approach, heading to Bloomington, IN) and since I was close to my destination and it hadn't happened, I knew I would be hearing from ATC momentarily. Sure enough, I heard my number (radar service terminated) and while I was responding and changing frequencies, I turned right about 10 degrees unintentionally. At this point the airport was probably already only visible through the curved part of the glass, and turning this much by accident didn't help. Then, having pressed the toggle button on the radio, I checked in with the tower. And the tower said the strangest thing: "this is Hulman approach, tower is on xyz-point-whatever". By the time I fixed that and checked in with the real tower, I was way off.

    I still count not telling the tower that I didn't see the airport as the single biggest mistake. I made other mistakes that led me to get off course, but fixing that one would have fixed everything.
     
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    Thanks for being a good lesson for me, too, and probably a few others!

    You could also try a Mochado-like technique:

    “Tower, Cessna 123B, please confirm. Do you have a WalMart and a Burger King along your runway?”

    “Negative, 123B, that would be highway 9. Turn south 45 degrees.”

    :)
     
  8. Stevea621j

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    During training my instructor signed me off to fly to a towered airport located only 7 miles from my home airport. I had no gps, but thought I could see the airport after reaching about 1500 feet. I checked in with the tower and told him I had the airport in sight. He told me to report entering right downwind. Unfortunately what I was looking at and flying to was not the airport, but a cleared area 5 miles past the airport. I remember thinking that it seemed a lot further than I remembered, but kept chugging along. The controller kindly asked me where I was going after I passed the airport, and got me back on track. I learned a few things. first, flying at 1500 feet in the Georgia summer haze, it is hard to spot an airport, even when you know where it should be. The second thing I learned was not to say I had the airport in sight until I was absolutely positive I had it in sight.
     
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    MY CFI really meant it one night. We were flying into MKC - the downtown KC airport from the east one night. It's a pretty confusing set of lights from the city, and the rwys aren't visually aligned from that direction so you don't see them very well. It's a case where I knew where it was because of the bend in the river, but I couldn't make it out from the lights and surrounding facilities. It's not like it's an island of light surrounded by dark or vice versa.

    There's another airport near me, K81, Miami County, with the BBQ on the field. For whatever reason, I have a lot of trouble seeing it - it's right there, I know it's there, but the rwy just doesn't stand out enough for me. I dunno, after I "see" it I want to facepalm myself because I've been looking right at it.
     
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    That’s a great tip/idea!
     
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    Some airports just seem to blend into the suburban sprawl around here. Add in a layer of haze and backlighting in the late afternoon, and that just compounds the problem. I've never not spotted one...yet. :)

    If your nav system has an extended runway centerline feature, that can help a lot.
     
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    The extended centerline function is great.

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    Toss in some winds aloft and you could be looking in entirely the wrong place.

    Twice I've had that happen. I have 2 airports near me, 7nm apart and both have N/S rwys.

    Once I was heading north at night with a dead DG. I was wanting to land at the east airport. With the winds from the west, my crab angle was such that I was pointing at the west airport. My GPS kept telling me to correct right, but my vision was locked on the beacon to the left.

    Another time I was day VFR, and had a similar experience. I was heading to the east airport but facing the west airport. The airport on the left has a rwy that is pretty much 2x longer and 2x wider than the airport on the right. I saw that rwy first and wondered how I had gotten so close, so quickly. A second or two later I realized the rwy I was looking at was the wrong one but its size made me think I was twice as close as I really was.
     
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    You should have known you were over an airport before he pulled the throttle. Be proactive. How high were you? Often planes hang out above the traffic pattern.
     
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    How? He pulled the throttle as the hood came off. We were up a couple thousand feet. He chose that field because it's rarely busy.
     
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    You got me there unless you had a gps or some other gadget that shows airfields. Flying under the hood is the most dangerous situation for mid-airs. I learned that in an AOPA seminar a few weeks ago. I would hope your instructor had his head on a swivel while you were focused under the hood. Unfortunately, according to the mentioned AOPA outing, he may not have been on the lookout for other aircraft.
     
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    One would hope he was. The aircraft was equipped with a GPS but it was turned off.
     
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    We have both made excellent points. Look underneath our plane. Keep our eyes out of the cockpit at least 80% of the time, or more when around any kind of airfield, and make sure our cockpit mate has his/her eyes outside the cockpit during instrument practice.
     
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    Glad it worked out alright! Like you mentioned, you can still play the "Student Pilot" card so don't be afraid to! On one of my solo cross countries, I managed to get my self jacked up coming into a Class C airport, I used the magic words "student pilot" and the controller was awesome, had it straightened out in no time. Thanks for sharing and hopefully some other guys/gals in training get something from this!

    P.S. When I did my solo cross countries for my PPL, I had nothing but an E6B and a paper sectional, no GPS. And no, this wasn't 20 years ago, it was 2015...
     
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    What GPS were you using? Garmin has PC simulators for some of theirs.
     
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    It was a Bendix King, I think the model is a KLN 94 or something like that.
     
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    For Garmin Pilot, we have the 5nm/10nm range rings turned on and the 10 minute vector turned on. Probably something all the other EFB's have. Does make it easy for initial call at 10nm, turn away a 5nm if no contact and to estimate minutes to arrival. I usually zoom in a bit at a time as I get closer. Sometimes (in the GP VFR view) I am zoomed in enough that I see the taxiways, buildings, etc. Of course safe taxi will switch to that view anyway once on the ground.

    Even with the EFB I always draw the runways on my kneeboard in advance and label the directions. As soon as I get ATIS and winds I draw the wind vector. The call in. When tower specifies the landing runway I then circle it, repeat it back and draw a trail from where I think I am thru the downwind/base/final to the runway. And set the heading bug of course.

    A PD may have played a role in that second paragraph :)
     
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