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What type of fire extinguisher do you carry in your plane? My new to me mooney does not have one so I am looking for suggestions.
It's not the only choice, but having studied the issue for several years as a DoD contractor, I have to say that all the others are unacceptably poor for inflight cockpit use, and dry chemical is next to worst in front of CO2. Get a Halon 1301/1211 mix for your cockpit fire extinguisher, but make sure the amount of agent is appropriate to your cabin volume because 1211 can be toxic in high enough concentrations. For the typical 4-seat light GA plane, a 500 gram/1 lb unit will do the job properly without creating a toxicity risk.The FAA says Halon is the only choice.
The FAA says Halon is the only choice.
But since the FAA is not paying my bills, and the chances that I will have an in-cockpit fire is minimal, I carry dry chemical. Yes, it can destroy your radios and cause visibility problems. It can also corrode your aluminum, but it is better than burning (IMO) and I have better things to spend my money on than Halon.
The FAA says Halon is the only choice.
But since the FAA is not paying my bills, and the chances that I will have an in-cockpit fire is minimal, I carry dry chemical. Yes, it can destroy your radios and cause visibility problems. It can also corrode your aluminum, but it is better than burning (IMO) and I have better things to spend my money on than Halon.
BTW: That is a mighty fine looking Mooney. Congrats on the purchase, and we're looking forward to drooling on it "in person"!
Feel free to mail me $95 any time you want.The small halon extinguisher I bought was only about $110.
Dry chemical and all of the disadvantages thereof. Plus you can't let go of the trigger and stop the flow if you knock the fire out. Seems like a bad idea.We have a small halon in the plane - not sure what model...I'll check.
These are cool though - not sure how well they work but I bought a few and considered keeping one in the plane...did not know there were regs on specific units. Anyone have a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLsCchy1u8g
Dry chemical and all of the disadvantages thereof. Plus you can't let go of the trigger and stop the flow if you knock the fire out. Seems like a bad idea.
I'm unable to parse that statement. Both dry chemical and halon have triggers you can let go of. The problem is that Halon is the only one that is reasonable for confined space suppression. Have you ever fired off a dry chemical in a confined space?
Nope, I'm going to keep my Halon and hope I never have to use it.
I've fought fires with just about every form of supressing agent out there:
Water, Dry Chemical, Halon, Purple K, AFFF. and a rake . They all have their place.
What type of fire extinguisher do you carry in your plane? My new to me mooney does not have one so I am looking for suggestions.
The FAA says Halon is the only choice.
But since the FAA is not paying my bills, and the chances that I will have an in-cockpit fire is minimal, I carry dry chemical. Yes, it can destroy your radios and cause visibility problems. It can also corrode your aluminum, but it is better than burning (IMO) and I have better things to spend my money on than Halon.
The small halon extinguisher I bought was only about $110.
the agent name escapes me at the moment
The problem with extinguishers with H1211 is not being big enough, it's being TOO big. They have a minimum, not maximum, cabin volume issue due to the potential toxicity if too much is discharged in too small a space.Feel free to mail me $95 any time you want.
Is it big enough for your cockpit volume?
...and only a fraction of the effectiveness combined with severe HF and HCl toxicity issues in the post-fire environment. Do not even think about these HFC or HCFC agents for cockpit use -- you really, really, really want bromine in the mix even if the brominated halogens are ozone-depleting compounds (which I'm beginning to guess is due to the same characteristics which give it the chemical extinguishing effects that HFC and HCFC agents lack, relying instead almost entirely on physical effects).One of the Halon replacements, no dust, no asphyxiation hazard.
Halotron is an HCFC mix, and for the reasons discussed above, I most strongly recommend against it as a cockpit firefighting agent. For this purpose, if it isn't Halon 1301, Halon 1211, or a mix of those two, forget about it."Halotron" is one. And they are all over eBay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Halotron-2-..._Security_Fire_Protection&hash=item2340cf3919
How much? I'm not getting this pricing on the ones I get, but they are second generation. Must be like the price difference between R-12 and R-134A. I picked up 10 extinguishers, the agent name escapes me at the moment but it is one of the replacements for Halon, for $200 and change last spring.
1211 alone isn't a good choice for a cockpit fire bottle because it is pretty much purely a streaming agent with little volume fill due to its comparatively low boiling point. This makes it a lot less effective at fighting 3-dimensional fires like those associated with spraying flammable liquids (think fuel pressure line pinhole). Mixing it with 1301 takes care of that problem.
brian];1580992 said:The big pockets on the back of the front seats make it an easy grab .
Really a dumb place to put a fire extinguisher. In any kind of accident it will be flying around the cockpit, crushing your skull.
It should be properly fastened down.
brian];1581160 said:Hmmmm. Interesting point.. I'll review..
The pockets on my seat backs appear to be hand made and I'm pretty sure it will stay put. But something to consider review next time I'm in the airplane...
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brian];1581160 said:Hmmmm. Interesting point.. I'll review..
The pockets on my seat backs appear to be hand made and I'm pretty sure it will stay put. But something to consider review next time I'm in the airplane...
Regardless, it shouldn't be in the baggage compartment like I've seen with one owner / operator....
I will take Halon over third degree burns any day..........