Feature request: SZ uses different colors

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Referring to Kent's excellent suggestion above, could we have some sort of visual indication that a thread we're reading via "New Posts", or that we're about to reply to, is in SZ vs another forum?

This would help posters keep SZ-type comments in SZ, where they belong... I think they'd like that too, as it would help keep academic and instructional threads as such.

i.e., perhaps the dark blue bars on each post are red instead of blue, or something like that.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I never had a problem figuring out where I was because, due to Spin Zone being my lowest priority for reading things here, I blocked it from my "new posts" and after I was done reading everything else, I'd click directly on Spin Zone. Might be an idea for others to try as well.
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Me, too. Situational awareness and all that. I consider it pilot error to post SZ content to a non-SZ thread.
 
I consider it pilot idiocy to go there.

AuntPeggy said:
Me, too. Situational awareness and all that. I consider it pilot error to post SZ content to a non-SZ thread.
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Perhaps we could use red. :devil: For old time's sake, of course. ;)
 
Geico266 said:
Just do away with the Spin Zone.
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I know! Make the color of the spin zone the same as the back ground! Then it would just disappear! :yes:
 
If the post mentions the name of the current or past 3 presidential administrations, or contains the words "socialist", "communist", "fascist", "nazi", "Hilary", or "Pelosi", then I know it's SZ material and I just skip that post. Thet gets rid of about 90% of the annoying posts right there!
 
Y'all know that SZ is an opt in group. If you don't want to read what is there then you should not have taken the proactive step of opting into the group.

Now if you are in the SZ and don't like it there then leave it. Opt back out.

But opting into a group, complaining about how you don't like and then asking for it to be banned is frankly pretty dumb. It strikes me like the people who move next to the airport and then start complaining about the airplane noise and asking for the airport to be shut down.
 
Scott- I tend to agree with you there. I didn't choose the SZ option- I'm just remarking on the handful of posts that escape from there.
 
Yes SZ is an opt in group. plus when you click on new posts and the threads with the new post show up you can identifiy thethe posts in the SZ thread because .....well because they say SPIN ZONE in the colum for the forum!
 
AdamZ said:
Yes SZ is an opt in group. plus when you click on new posts and the threads with the new post show up you can identifiy thethe posts in the SZ thread because .....well because they say SPIN ZONE in the colum for the forum!
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Yeah I kind a thought it was a face palm issue given that little fact.

I have opted into SZ. But I have the group set up so that when I hit new post no SZ posts show up. I then have to manually go into SZ and then will just see those posts. Anyone can set that up for themselves. It is an option. To do it go to Edit Options on the User CP. Then select Spin Zone from the Exclude Forums from "Get New Posts" box at the very bottom of the page.
 
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smigaldi said:
Yeah I kind a thought it was a face palm issue given that little fact.

I have opted into SZ. But I have the group set up so that when I hit new post no SZ posts show up. I then have to manually go into SZ and then will just see those posts. Anyone can set that up for themselves. It is an option. To do it go to Edit Options on the User CP. Then select Spin Zone from the Exclude Forums from "Get New Posts" box at the very bottom of the page.
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But what fun is that? Then there's nothing to complain about.:wink2:
 
smigaldi said:
Y'all know that SZ is an opt in group. If you don't want to read what is there then you should not have taken the proactive step of opting into the group.

Now if you are in the SZ and don't like it there then leave it. Opt back out.

But opting into a group, complaining about how you don't like and then asking for it to be banned is frankly pretty dumb. It strikes me like the people who move next to the airport and then start complaining about the airplane noise and asking for the airport to be shut down.
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Yes, spin zone is opt in, unless you're an administrator. In my case, I'm not opted in, and I accidentally find myself in it constantly. Thankfully I can generally tell by reading one sentence of one post.

I wouldn't mind a different color--or some visual indication--and I'll look into it.
 
jesse said:
Yes, spin zone is opt in, unless you're an administrator. In my case, I'm not opted in, and I accidentally find myself in it constantly. Thankfully I can generally tell by reading one sentence of one post.

I wouldn't mind a different color--or some visual indication--and I'll look into it.
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Use the option I mention above so that SZ posts do not show up when you hit new posts. Then to see it you have to consciously go there.
 
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smigaldi said:
Y'all know that SZ is an opt in group. If you don't want to read what is there then you should not have taken the proactive step of opting into the group.

Now if you are in the SZ and don't like it there then leave it. Opt back out.

But opting into a group, complaining about how you don't like and then asking for it to be banned is frankly pretty dumb. It strikes me like the people who move next to the airport and then start complaining about the airplane noise and asking for the airport to be shut down.
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Scott - This is not about READING Spin Zone, or opting in/out.

This is about people who are Spin Zone members, accidentally posting SZ material outside the SZ because (for example) someone starts a thread in Hangar Talk that's about something like finance or piracy, and the SZ member doesn't realize that they're not in SUA and they post SZ crap somewhere besides SZ.

By changing something obvious like background color or whatever (and I like red for this :D) it will be quite obvious whether or not the person is reading/posting to Spin Zone or elsewhere, and will thus help keep SZ content in the SZ where it belongs.

Or is that elitist? :rolleyes: ;)
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Scott - This is not about READING Spin Zone, or opting in/out.
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That is not what Tango Whiskey said

TangoWhiskey said:
Referring to Kent's excellent suggestion above, could we have some sort of visual indication that a thread we're reading via "New Posts", or that we're about to reply to, is in SZ vs another forum?.
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But most of what I had written was directed at those who were speaking about how terrible it is for them to be subjected the SZ. You know, the SZ they opted into and opt to stay in.
 
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flyingcheesehead said:
This is about people who are Spin Zone members, accidentally posting SZ material outside the SZ because (for example) someone starts a thread in Hangar Talk that's about something like finance or piracy, and the SZ member doesn't realize that they're not in SUA and they post SZ crap somewhere besides SZ.
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How will coloring material based on subject gonna help? How will the board detect such mistakenly posted material and why not just move the stuff into SZ where it belongs in the first place or removing it? The MC does that now when it is brought to their attention.

A bigger problem is that there are people who are not SZ member who constantly rail about the SZ but then post SZ material outside of the SZ in HT.
 
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smigaldi said:
That is not what Tango Whiskey said...
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You may not be reading it the way I meant to say it, but Kent interpreted my intentions correctly...

The idea here is that those that DO frequent SZ can have a simple visual cue that "YUP, I am in SZ right now, so this xyz comment is appropriate here..."

We're seeing lots of comments made in HT or other non-SZ forums, unintentionally, I believe, when SZ members forget that the thread they are reading is NOT in SZ.

Yes, everybody here is correct--you can see the thread's home (SZ or HT, etc) at the far right when you select it in New Posts, and you can even scroll up to the top of a thread you're reading to see the same... but obviously that's not working for some folks.

A simple visual cue would be sufficient--doesn't even have to be a color change.... perhaps something in the "write a reply" area to indicate you're in SZ would provide that final check of the runway before taking the active for departure.

It's all fun and games! (Should I bring THIS to Gaston's as the consolation prize for the Poker Run worst hand?)

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TangoWhiskey said:
You may not be reading it the way I meant to say it, but Kent interpreted my intentions correctly...
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Like I said most of my comments were directed at the replies to your post.

The people who complain about SZ yet opt in are like the people who move next to airports and complain about airplane noise.
 
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TangoWhiskey said:
We're seeing lots of comments made in HT or other non-SZ forums, unintentionally, I believe, when SZ members forget that the thread they are reading is NOT in SZ.
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Hmmm I see most of those comments coming from a few people who are not SZ denizens. Most of the SZ members want to keep stuff that is political in the SZ where it belongs. But when they point that out are berated and belittled for their observation.

The whole piracy thread has several non-SZ participant in making national defense policy and political posts. No color change would have helped them. The elected to leave the SZ yet they still want to post political posts in HT. Their hope is that they can post their political view in HT without being challenged on them. The real solution here is is that non-aviation politic do not belong outside of the SZ and all should honor that. If you want to talk non-aviation politics then go to the SZ. But do expect to be held to the standard there where you have to support your argument and expect to have hyperbole and poorly thought out positions challenged. That is true regardless of your political compass. Come in there blathering some partisan BS and you will be jumped on pretty strongly. That type of posting belongs on FreeRepublic.com or DemocraticUnderground.com. If one cannot hack it the SZ then leave and stop trying to make HT SZ-lite.

And for those that have never been in the SZ and don't want to be....great. But I can tell you there have been threads outside of the SZ the past few months that have been way more heated than what you see in there. Although the SZ has had its problem children in the past. Most of them are gone now. The new MC guidelines on self policing have been instituted and they have greatly contributed to dealing effectively with problem makers.

Anyway that is my $.02 on it.
 
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smigaldi said:
Hmmm I see most of those comments coming from a few people who are not SZ denizens. Most of the SZ members want to keep stuff that is political in the SZ where it belongs. But when they point that out are berated and belittled for their observation.
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I bet you're right! If one isn't an active member of SZ, it's hard to know who is... that'd be another feature request, though. ;-)

If the problem is non-SZ members continually making politically charged statements outside of SZ, I feel confident those individuals will be properly... "educated"... by our very competent (and underpaid) POA management volunteers.

Cheers!
 
TangoWhiskey said:
If the problem is non-SZ members continually making politically charged statements outside of SZ
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Oh, Scott's complaining about me, since I occasionally let myself go and post a reply to a political comment in HT from folks on the other end of the spectrum. If I agreed with him, he wouldn't say a word.

It's not helped by the MC's adamant refusal to declare the rest of the system off-limits to politics; that leaves some political posts acceptable, others not, and the lie line (how'd I let that typo slip through? - JRM) varies with the poster and the political orientation of the MC member fielding any complaint.
 
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jmaynard said:
Oh, Scott's complaining about me,.
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Not just you. But ya. For a guy who has complained the outside of SZ should be apolitical I find it ironic that you often post political subjects.

Had you stayed in the SZ I think you would have gotten the hang of the place. But your first forays were, shall we say, not up to the standards of the SZ and when tested by the group you opted to leave instead of stay. C'est la guerre. I respect your decision. But you should also respect the wishes of the group to keep politics in the SZ by refraining from posting your political opinions in HT.
 
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jmaynard said:
It's not helped by the MC's adamant refusal to declare the rest of the system off-limits to politics; that leaves some political posts acceptable, others not, and the lie varies with the poster and the political orientation of the MC member fielding any complaint.
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I agree with that if you mean that there are political posts of a non-aviation nature that allowed to stay in non-SZ areas.

While I know the MC-collective has their view points it seems that they only declare something political if you mention a party somewhere in a post. I think that leads to the situation we have now. The pirate thread has all kinds of political topics in it. It speak of the UN and our support of their policies for shipping, there is talk of national defense policy, arms laws, etc. All of which has nothing to do with aviation and are of a political nature. IMHO that thread should have been moved to the SZ a while ago.

I BP'ed the thread a couple of days ago so I know the MC had seen my complaint. but they have opted to let the thread remain open.
 
smigaldi said:
Not just you. But ya. For a guy who has complained the outside of PoA should be apolitical I find it ironic that you often post political subjects.
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I only post replies to posts from the other end of the spectrum I find particularly silly. If the rest of the site was apolitical, I wouldn't be tempted. As it is, though, I can never tell when the MC will let something slip through...

Had you stayed in the SZ I think you would have gotten the hang of the place. But your first forays were shall we say, not up to standards of the SZ
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Standard comment from the other side: "No intelligent person would think or argue that, so he must not be intelligent."

I chose to leave the SZ because the alternative was leaving PoA. Had I stayed, I'd have destroyed something out of sheer frustration.

But you should also respect the wishes of the group to keep politics in the SZ by refraining from posting your political opinions in HT.
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Right. Let the folks on the other end of the spectrum have free rein. Suuuuuuure.
 
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jmaynard said:
I only post replies to posts from the other end of the spectrum I find particularly silly. If the rest of the site was apolitical, I wouldn't be tempted. As it is, though, I can never tell when the MC will let something slip through...


Standard comment from the other side: "No intelligent person would think or argue that, so he must not be intelligent."

I chose to leave the SZ because the alternative was leaving PoA. Had I stayed, I'd have destroyed something out of sheer frustration.


Right. Let the folks on the other end of the spectrum have free rein. Suuuuuuure.
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exempli gratia...
 
I, for one, am glad they left the Pirate thread in place... yes, I had to glance over a few politically charged posts and the sharks on the beach, but quite honestly it was one of the most interesting and educational threads I'd read in a long time. Non-aviation? Yes, it sure was! But between the posts by Henning and Adam particularly, as well as others, I got a good education on some maritime and international "law" topics. I think for the most part the thread discussed the topic of piracy -- and people's thoughts on what can/should be done about it -- in an objective fashion, not in a politically charged fashion.
 
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