Think where humanity would be if we had always developed resources to best social benefit, rather than restricting and manipulating them for best profit.
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He's speaking of monetary theory, not physics. Not that he differentiates between closed systems and natural ones. Or sees the silliness of comparing a system mostly created by force over a system that simply is, without being created by humans.
In other words, he wants to pretend nature intervenes in what are essentially usury and slavery agreements between humans, at their core. Ask him if he defeats the evil Rothschilds if the power vacuum such a defeat would create, wouldn't be instantly filled by a different small group of humans who thought they deserved to be the next rulers of finance.
(I'm not arguing good or bad of any of the above, just pointing out that the concept that physics and entropy applied to agreements between humans isn't going to work out, looking at history. The most sociopathic power hungry humans tend to just kill whatever humans get in their way, and have a charismatic skillset that's powerful enough to convince millions of others that it was justified. Entropy has little to do with it, other than creating circumstances that will allow for a power shift amongst the biggest sociopaths. And even that realization can easily be deduced knowing that history is written by the ones who survived it, not the dead.)
Can one guarantee that some power coup won't develop? Certainly not, but it wouldn't leave us off worse than we are now, at least food and water production capacity will increase, so that would have a long term positive effect regardless. One can however apply the lessons learned from past failures, and the technologies that we have developed since the industrial revolution, and design a system that minimizes the risk. The point is without an option to choose from, then no choice can be made, and our fate is sealed; we have till around 9 billion people to work it out one way or another, and the Chinese just added a quarter billion babies to their ranks next year, more over the next few years as people decide to have their second child. Let's see if we can even make it that far. It's really kinda funny, people don't want a future, people want to see Armageddon happen. By making that choice, that is the future we create. It'll be interesting to see how the South China Sea plays out...
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Nineteen trillion in debt, two hundred trillion in derivative unfunded liabilities, a naked short precious metal market, quantitative easing infinitum, ZIRP, money printing, massive health care costs, bankrupt SS, rampant entitlement growth, higher taxes, peak oil, diminishing water, etc., etc. ...
And what most Americans want to know is,
How much are K. West sneakers?
And what most Americans want to know is,
How much are K. West sneakers?
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Nineteen trillion in debt, two hundred trillion in derivative unfunded liabilities, a naked short precious metal market, quantitative easing infinitum, ZIRP, money printing, massive health care costs, bankrupt SS, rampant entitlement growth, higher taxes, peak oil, diminishing water, etc., etc. ...
And what most Americans want to know is,
How much are K. West sneakers?
Pretty much, yeah, or what the Kardashians are doing.
Their **** is together, it's just not in our best interest, but rather designed to take advantage of us as profitably as possible. Only between the China/Russia alliance and Islam, they have lost control and the Ponzi scheme is collapsing. Once the Chinese control the majority of global oil production under their currency, then the petrodollar reserve currency status and income goes away, and the Rothschild's aristocratic central banking network of feudalism carried forward finally dies. Americans sold out after the revolution, but the Chinese never did. Resource market manipulation and control in such a method that is spreads suffering has to end, if China doesn't end it, Islam will. No matter what, we will collapse, we are collapsing right now, militarily impotent to affect anything other than annihilation. Eisenhower and Kennedy warned us, we flipped them the bird. We could have built a productive society, instead we chose a destructive military, ooo rah.
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No need to speculate, guaranteed it will happen.
Seen the sociopaths in DC on TV lately? No short supply of them. Thousands and thousands waiting to take the place of any one that falls. Been that way all throughout human history.
That right there is what completely kills your utopian scenarios, since the powerful in politics or finance will always be replaced before nightfall, if they disappear. The really good ones also learn from the last one's mistakes. Yesterday's criminal charges for the last one are today's, "I left those details to my staff".
If they don't like your little commune created energy source, or anything else you built, they'll just fire up some Eminent Domain on your butt, and claim they're better suited to manage it than you are. Maybe even tell everyone that you might have been doing something "dangerous" while they detain you without trial, too.
Most of the gen pop will lap it up. They all already believe in the bigger sociopath's utopia and they've got free candy from a never ending monetary supply. You don't.
The minority have to do fifer something perceived as better for the majority to follow them. If not, they die for their efforts when someone decides they aren't going to put up with that, then the community decides what to do with them. Anarchy is the greatest insurance against tyranny.
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How can "the community" decide anything where anarchy prevails? Isn't the process of a community deciding something a de facto form of government?
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Humanity would be here in 2015 and next year in 2016!!!(I'm not Nostradamus so I won't extend too far beyond that
)That's what I'm thinking....:wink2:
Yes, there is always some form of governance in any relationship. You can have anarchy and community peacefully at the same time by the people choosing to adopt a set of simple standards and abide by them cooperatively. Anarchy just means everyone makes their own choices, the key is to make cooperation the more attractive choice, and that is not really that difficult, because compared to what we could have, what we do have sucks. Putting just 30% of the energy system waste into value added trade product in the food alone is a huge economic boon, and on a large scale would put us back on top of the relationship with China. Food and water are China's big resource issue, and they just lifted the 'one child' policy. The way to manage the world is by feeding it, not killing it.