Fake pilot in cockpit

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Just heard this on the news this morning. The "real" pilot boarded and found this man in his seat.

Some people.

I wonder what his motive was?
 
Not the pilot seat. He tried to bluff his way into the jump seat, but the PIC found he didn't have any credentials that would allow him to travel in that way.
 
flyingron said:
Not the pilot seat. He tried to bluff his way into the jump seat, but the PIC found he didn't have any credentials that would allow him to travel in that way.
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Ah...I understand. I know nothing about these bird birds.

Thanks for this info.
 
1600vw said:
I wonder what his motive was?
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Not sure, I found a picture of him walking through the airport terminal though.

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:rofl:
 
MSPAviator said:
Not sure, I found a picture of him walking through the airport terminal though.

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:rofl:
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I remember when flight attendants (stewardesses back then!) we're that size. My how times have changed...
 
flyingron said:
Not the pilot seat. He tried to bluff his way into the jump seat, but the PIC found he didn't have any credentials that would allow him to travel in that way.
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This guy even had a ticket for the flight, sounds like someone who needs help.
 
LDJones said:
I remember when flight attendants (stewardesses back then!) we're that size. My how times have changed...
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Well, the FA's haven't changed. It's still the same ones in that picture.
 
Yeah, they made a big thing that he got through security, but other than the fact he was wearing a pilot's uniform, so what? He had a valid passport, ticket, and wasn't carrying any weapons, etc... That's how it's supposed to work. I have a few friends who are pilots and non-rev in uniform all the time. They go through security like everybody else.
 
JS credentials are much different since 9-11, if they still exist. I had both AA and DL, but both evaporated.

flyingron said:
Not the pilot seat. He tried to bluff his way into the jump seat, but the PIC found he didn't have any credentials that would allow him to travel in that way.
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Don't worry! The TSA made sure he didn't have any nail clippers, shampoo, or anything else dangerous so security was never in jeopardy. haha
 
If he wanted to just see the cockpit, he could have just asked.

I have a suspicion the charges will get thrown out and he will just get thrown on the "no-fly" list. It's not clear that he disobeyed any one, and he didn't present any bogus identification, other than his choice of wardrobe.

I bet in his younger years he tried to sneak backstage at concerts too.
 
I was non-company, but qualified (subject to captain's approval) under a combination of 135 check airman and Gulfstream corporate fill-in crew status. Both were nixed.

Being able to observe the level of standardization in 121 ops was an eye-opener that I wish all IP's (and pilots too) could see. GA is clueless about that stuff.

flyingmoose said:
They still exist, even if its just a company ID.
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wabower said:
I was non-company, but qualified (subject to captain's approval) under a combination of 135 check airman and Gulfstream corporate fill-in crew status. Both were nixed.

Being able to observe the level of standardization in 121 ops was an eye-opener that I wish all IP's (and pilots too) could see. GA is clueless about that stuff.
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Agreed!
 
Brad Z said:
I have a suspicion the charges will get thrown out and he will just get thrown on the "no-fly" list. It's not clear that he disobeyed any one, and he didn't present any bogus identification, other than his choice of wardrobe.
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Well, not quite.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57575750/man-impersonating-pilot-arrested-on-us-airways-flight/
Police sources told KYW that 61-year-old Philippe Jernnard, of La Rocelle, France, was wearing a shirt with an Air France logo on it and carrying a black jacket resembling a pilot's jacket; he was also in possession of an Air France crewmember identification card, which was later determined to be counterfeit.

Correspondent Elizabeth Hur reports that prior to boarding Jernnard, a ticketed passenger, tried to get an upgrade but was denied; he was later found sitting in the jump-seat behind the captain's seat in the cockpit of the airplane. How he got into the cockpit remains under investigation.

When questioned by flight crew, he allegedly identified himself as a 747 pilot for Air France. When asked to produce proper credentials, Jernnard became argumentative.

He was removed from the flight and detained by police. He has been charged with criminal trespass, tampering with records, impersonating a person privately employed, and presenting false ID to law enforcement.

Jernnard is being held on $1 million bail.

FBI investigators told KYW that Jernnard is expected to be charged with federal violations Friday.
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Airways has always had a lax "everyone welcome" attitude with the JS..but you have to be verfied in CASS first ...he must have duped the gate agent and the captain initially ..good on the flight crew for sniffing this cheese eating frog
 
wabower said:
JS credentials are much different since 9-11, if they still exist. I had both AA and DL, but both evaporated.
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Agreed, but I doubt this would have worked even before 9/11 on a US carrier as this was.

How he got into the cockpit remains under investigation. Most likely the door was open.
 
flyingron said:
Agreed, but I doubt this would have worked even before 9/11 on a US carrier as this was.

How he got into the cockpit remains under investigation. Most likely the door was open.
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Every flight I get on the cockpit door is open until just before pushback.
 
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
 
LDJones said:
I remember when flight attendants (stewardesses back then!) we're that size. My how times have changed...
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I remember when Americans were that size! Notice, it ain't only the FAs who were smaller!:hairraise:
 
I fly at times with a retired jet captain - he also does my biennial at 6 month intervals.

When I let him fly he tries that 121 standards stuff on me - wants me to call V speeds, expects me as PNF to raise the gear, etc.
I just laugh and tell him if the Apache is too much airplane for him to say so and I will fly.
Hoo boy, do I pay for those comments when the 6 month biennial comes around.

All joking aside, 121 ops are done professionally and have an enviable safety record. GA could learn a whole bunch of good things from them.
 
Dr. O said:
I fly at times with a retired jet captain - he also does my biennial at 6 month intervals.

When I let him fly he tries that 121 standards stuff on me - wants me to call V speeds, expects me as PNF to raise the gear, etc.
I just laugh and tell him if the Apache is too much airplane for him to say so and I will fly.
Hoo boy, do I pay for those comments when the 6 month biennial comes around.

All joking aside, 121 ops are done professionally and have an enviable safety record. GA could learn a whole bunch of good things from them.
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The primary lesson is run a 2 pilot cockpit, not exactly practical for most of GA.
 
Dr. O said:
I fly at times with a retired jet captain - he also does my biennial at 6 month intervals.

When I let him fly he tries that 121 standards stuff on me - wants me to call V speeds, expects me as PNF to raise the gear, etc.
I just laugh and tell him if the Apache is too much airplane for him to say so and I will fly.
Hoo boy, do I pay for those comments when the 6 month biennial comes around.

All joking aside, 121 ops are done professionally and have an enviable safety record. GA could learn a whole bunch of good things from them.
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This is to funny of a post.
 
To the contrary, the drill demonstrates the tasks and the sequence that must be accomplished, and (hopefully) helps a single-pilot operator to understand the importance of establishing an organized and repeatable routine to insure that it happens.

Poor check-list adherence is a glaring defect in many such situations. When I inquire about an observed omission of a significant step, the answer is usually a nervous and sheepish "Oh damn, I always do that."

MY follow-up question is "Well, why didn't you do it this time? Is it on the check-list? Would you have seen it if you had used the list?"

Henning said:
The primary lesson is run a 2 pilot cockpit, not exactly practical for most of GA.
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wabower said:
To the contrary, the drill demonstrates the tasks and the sequence that must be accomplished, and (hopefully) helps a single-pilot operator to understand the importance of establishing an organized and repeatable routine to insure that it happens.

Poor check-list adherence is a glaring defect in many such situations. When I inquire about an observed omission of a significant step, the answer is usually a nervous and sheepish "Oh damn, I always do that."

MY follow-up question is "Well, why didn't you do it this time? Is it on the check-list? Would you have seen it if you had used the list?"
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One thing about checklists is that they have many things you either don't always need to do or never need to do. The important things can get lost. For instance, my 172 checklist has GUMPS on it. I really don't need to check prop and undercarriage.
 
ebykowsky said:
One thing about checklists is that they have many things you either don't always need to do or never need to do. The important things can get lost. For instance, my 172 checklist has GUMPS on it. I really don't need to check prop and undercarriage.
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... and the solution to that is to make an appropriate checklist that works for you and your plane.

There are hundreds of .doc templates out there just waiting to be altered.
 
ElPaso Pilot said:
... and the solution to that is to make an appropriate checklist that works for you and your plane.

There are hundreds of .doc templates out there just waiting to be altered.
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I always make my own for my own airplanes or those I fly a lot. I'll use the one in the plane, the POH/AFM, the flows I develop, and some common sense and write my own. I find it makes a great familiarization tool and aids in self checkouts.
 
ebykowsky said:
For instance, my 172 checklist has GUMPS on it. I really don't need to check prop and undercarriage.
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GUMPS on a 172 is still useful.

Yes, you don't have to worry about Undercarriage and Propeller, but knowing that the following is all good is very valuable:
(G) fuel selector, quantity, and cutoff are where they should be;
(M) Mixture is full in; and
(S) switches, seat belts, seats are all where they should be.
 
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