FAA To Require Drunk Passenger Prevention Policies

Wonder what brought this on?
 
Hmmmmm.......

“Their behaviors could range from non-responsive, loud, argumentative, to being physically disruptive, creating a stressful environment and potential unsafe condition in flight,” the notice reads.​

Sounds like most of my CFIs. Will student pilots have to require their instructors to take a breathalyzer test before a lesson?
 
Just wear this

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Half Fast said:
Hmmmmm.......

“Their behaviors could range from non-responsive, loud, argumentative, to being physically disruptive, creating a stressful environment and potential unsafe condition in flight,” the notice reads.​

Sounds like most of my CFIs. Will student pilots have to require their instructors to take a breathalyzer test before a lesson?
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The only passenger I ever denied boarding had NONE of those. She just couldn’t stand up…

Cute as a button and so sweet!! Buuuuuttt… no. Couldn’t do it.
 
Over the years I've only had to tell one young man that he wasn't flying as I could smell alcohol on him and he was slurring his speech. He asked if it was a rule that he couldn't fly if he was drinking. I replied, "it is in my airplane." Of course I'm a lowly Sport Pilot so maybe it don't really count ... ;)
 
Had to speak English before we self certified and printed it… someone needs a fitrep bullet.
 
Daleandee said:
Doesn't 14 CFR § 91.17 (b) already cover this?
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91.17 (or the 135 equivalent) doesn’t specify things like
“…behavioral recognition techniques, observation techniques, communication skills, and intervention methods to prevent boarding of impaired or intoxicated passengers. The operators will also have to set policies on how to maintain a sober environment and keep a log of impaired passenger incidents that slip through that net.”
 
MauleSkinner said:
91.17 (or the 135 equivalent) doesn’t specify things like
“…behavioral recognition techniques, observation techniques, communication skills, and intervention methods to prevent boarding of impaired or intoxicated passengers. The operators will also have to set policies on how to maintain a sober environment and keep a log of impaired passenger incidents that slip through that net.”
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Interesting ... 14 CFR § 135.121 (c) seems to cover this but as you pointed out gives no instructions as to how to measure "appears to be intoxicated."
 
DaleB said:
I did, in its entirety. I'm puzzled, what's your point?
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91.147 Passenger-carrying flights for compensation or hire.​


(a) Definitions. For the purposes of this section, Operator means any person conducting nonstop passenger-carrying flights in an airplane, powered-lift, or rotorcraft for compensation or hire in accordance with §§ 119.1(e)(2), 135.1(a)(5), or 121.1(d) of this chapter that begin and end at the same airport and are conducted within a 25-statute mile radius of that airport.

So unless you are doing air tours, operating Part 135 or Part 121 this mentioned in the OP does not apply.
 
Doc Holliday said:

91.147 Passenger-carrying flights for compensation or hire.​


(a) Definitions. For the purposes of this section, Operator means any person conducting nonstop passenger-carrying flights in an airplane, powered-lift, or rotorcraft for compensation or hire in accordance with §§ 119.1(e)(2), 135.1(a)(5), or 121.1(d) of this chapter that begin and end at the same airport and are conducted within a 25-statute mile radius of that airport.

So unless you are doing air tours, operating Part 135 or Part 121 this mentioned in the OP does not apply.
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Unless you're Part 91 operating with a LOA. At least that's what I understand. Why else would the rule be included in Part 91? Does every air tour and sightseeing operator operate under Part 135? I'm not saying that isn't so, I'm just relying on the research I did.
 
DaleB said:
Unless you're Part 91 operating with a LOA. At least that's what I understand. Why else would the rule be included in Part 91? Does every air tour and sightseeing operator operate under Part 135? I'm not saying that isn't so, I'm just relying on the research I did.
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The LOA mentioned is for a Part 91 to conduct air tours, passengers paying for a flight to and from the same airport and not more than 25 miles away. Air tours and sightseeing are not 135.

This is why 14 CFR Part 119.1 was mentioned.
 
Reminds me of a Bridgeford Flying Services charter ad. "You can enjoy wine and cheese during your Napa Valley tour. And you don't even have to share with the pilot."

I did my PPL through their flight school.
 
Doc Holliday said:
The LOA mentioned is for a Part 91 to conduct air tours, passengers paying for a flight to and from the same airport and not more than 25 miles away. Air tours and sightseeing are not 135.

This is why 14 CFR Part 119.1 was mentioned.
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Gee, exactly as I pointed out in post #11. Not only Part 135.
 
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Might be fun to play around with in the camping areas at Oshkosh ;)
 
The amount of alcohol at airports and on planes is wild.
I see people drinking really early in the morning in airport bars.
I can't figure out if it s a "Hey, I am practically on vacation, lets get started" or scared of flying or hard core substance issue. Probably all of the above.
Also, these drinks ain't cheap.

When I was younger, I might have been able to do it but now if I have a drink before 4 PM, I am taking a nap. Party on airport people!
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
The amount of alcohol at airports and on planes is wild.
I see people drinking really early in the morning in airport bars.
I can't figure out if it s a "Hey, I am practically on vacation, lets get started" or scared of flying or hard core substance issue. Probably all of the above.
Also, these drinks ain't cheap.

When I was younger, I might have been able to do it but now if I have a drink before 4 PM, I am taking a nap. Party on airport people!
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If I arrive, and things go smoothly, and we depart reasonably close to scheduled departure time, I don’t drink. If a long delay comes up, I'm getting the finest meal I can find in the airport, and I'm have a beer or two with it. That way, it doesn't feel like I'm suffering, I'm enjoying food and drink. Then find the most comfortable chair I can find and read, or watch youtube.

I've only ever had a couple of drinks on the plane. That was because I sprung for first class from Chicago to Charlotte, and it just felt right. It may be the only time I ever sit in first class, and I owed it to myself to drink some alcohol that was included in my ticket price.
 
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baboss said:
Here’s your solution.
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Might be fun to play around with in the camping areas at Oshkosh ;)
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Wonder which YouTuber will be the one to do this ...
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
The amount of alcohol at airports and on planes is wild.
I see people drinking really early in the morning in airport bars.
I can't figure out if it s a "Hey, I am practically on vacation, lets get started" or scared of flying or hard core substance issue. Probably all of the above.
Also, these drinks ain't cheap.

When I was younger, I might have been able to do it but now if I have a drink before 4 PM, I am taking a nap. Party on airport people!
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Can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
I see people drinking really early in the morning in airport bars.
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Sometimes it's a time-zone thing. It might be early morning to you, but late afternoon to them. People in airports are running on all sorts of weird schedules.
 
Used to be bewildered at all the full bar parking lots I’d see driving to the airport to commute to work from Oshkosh to Appleton… at FIVE AM.

Admittedly it’s a drinking culture, but LOTS of bars, clobbered. Really?!!

Eventually came to realize it’s the second shift guys out of the numerous plants in the area.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
The amount of alcohol at airports and on planes is wild.
I see people drinking really early in the morning in airport bars.
I can't figure out if it s a "Hey, I am practically on vacation, lets get started" or scared of flying or hard core substance issue. Probably all of the above.
Also, these drinks ain't cheap.

When I was younger, I might have been able to do it but now if I have a drink before 4 PM, I am taking a nap. Party on airport people!
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Back when I was working, I was on an 8am flight out of ATL to somewhere every week for 20+ years. I nearly always got upgraded and 1st class was all business people traveling for work. I would guess 50% of first ordered alcohol. (I was in the coffee only camp)
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
The amount of alcohol at airports and on planes is wild.
I see people drinking really early in the morning in airport bars.
I can't figure out if it s a "Hey, I am practically on vacation, lets get started" or scared of flying or hard core substance issue. Probably all of the above.
Also, these drinks ain't cheap.

When I was younger, I might have been able to do it but now if I have a drink before 4 PM, I am taking a nap. Party on airport people!
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I've wondered that myself, why do alcohol and flying (as a passenger) go hand in hand? I would bet the majority of passenger incidents on commercial flights involve alcohol to some degree.

I'm not much of a drinker these days anyway, but I've never understood the number of people that have to drink with a meal, have to drink on a plane, etc. Even going out to eat on Saturday I'm surprised at the number of diners have a beer or cocktail. I am usually too busy on a Saturday to spend my time drinking, and I'm pretty much useless if I have been.
 
I kinda wonder what the percentage of people are that are just drunk for every waking moment. They shouldn't be driving or flying the plane, but if they're a sleepy or otherwise peaceful drunk, why not let them be cargo?

If there are enough of them, maybe an airline could make special flights just for them. Plastic seats and rubber mats on the floor, just hose the thing out when it gets in. And if that sounds silly - and it is - I believe there used to be companies doing that for bus trips to Giants games from here. Maybe not in so many words, but that was the plan.
 
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