FAA/ATC government shut down?

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How will a government shut down effect the air travel? both comm and private?
 
No more ramp checks? ;)
 
Articles I'm finding is that ATC will remain in operation as normal. Per the Washington Post: "Any employee who conducts "essential activities to the extent that they protect life and property." So, for example: Air traffic control stays open."

Very recently posted on USA Today's Website:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...hutdown-travel-smithsonian-monuments/2896707/

How would a government shutdown affect travel?

A federal government shutdown could put a damper on people's vacation plans.

If the government shuts down on Oct. 1, tourists would not be able to enter the Washington Monument, the Statue of Liberty and other attractions run by the National Park Service.

Travelers already camping in national parks would have two days to leave.

In Washington, D.C., all 19 museums and galleries run by the Smithsonian Institution as well as the National Zoo would be shuttered.

"We must close, and federal employees are not permitted to work," says Linda St.Thomas, chief spokesperson for the Smithsonian Institution.

Air travel will likely not be effected as air traffic controllers and airport screeners will continue to work.

"At this point, we do not expect airline operations to be impacted," says Jean Medina, a spokeswoman for Airlines for America, which represents the industry.

She says the Federal Aviation Administration, Transportation Security Administration, and Customs and Border Protection have told the group "that front-line employees would not be subject to shutdown-related furloughs that would affect the traveling and shipping public."

Airlines too say they expect business to continue as usual.

"We do not anticipate any impact to our operations as a result of the potential shutdown, as it will not affect the Transportation Security Administration, the Federal Aviation Administration, and/or the air traffic control system," says Southwest Airlines spokeswoman Brandy King.

Amtrak, which relies on federal subsidies, says it will operate as normal.

"Amtrak will continue normal operation of its national intercity and high-speed passenger rail network in the event of a short-term federal government shutdown," Amtrak said in a statement. "Passengers planning to travel on Amtrak trains in the Northeast Corridor and across the country in the coming days and weeks can be assured that Amtrak will remain open for business."

For those wanting to travel internationally, the U.S. State Department will continue to issue passports and visas because funding for those services comes from fees rather than appropriations, says U.S. State Department spokeswoman Laura Seal.

The one caveat is that some passport offices are located in federal buildings that would have to shut down. She advises travelers to call their local passport office before showing up.

U.S. embassies and consulates around the world will remain open, she says. "American citizens overseas will continue to get support," she says.

Tourism officials in various cities point out that there will be plenty for travelers to do even if the government shuts down.

Although travelers can't climb up the Statue of Liberty, they can still see it from the water. Statue Cruises will still be operating from 9 a.m. to 4:45 p.m. daily. The Staten Island Ferry will continue to run every 30 minutes and pass by the statue.

Statue of Liberty
People view the Statue of Liberty from the Staten Island Ferry on Sept. 30, 2013, in New York City. If Congress fails to pass a budget, the U.S. government would be forced to shut down at midnight on Monday. One of the results of a goverment shutdown would be the closing of all national parks including the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island.(Photo: Spencer Platt, Getty Images)
"Any closure of our National Parks would be disappointing to some travelers, but we do not foresee it creating a major impact on New York City tourism," says George Fertitta, CEO of NYC & Company, the city's official tourism authority. "Visitors will choose other things to see and do and there's plenty to offer across the five boroughs including marquee attractions, Broadway theaters, world-class museums, delicious restaurants, shops and more."

In the nation's capital, there are many private museums that will remain open, including the Corcoran Gallery of Art, the Newseum and the International Spy Museum.

"Unfortunately, this is not the first time we've dealt with a potential shutdown, but the reality is, there are so many things that are still viable options in Washington," says Elliott Ferguson, president and CEO of Destination DC.

Those assurances haven't stopped Devin Wise from canceling her Oct. 18 trip to D.C. for her 23rd birthday.

She and her boyfriend planned to drive to the nation's capital from just outside of Philadelphia.

"We had an entire itinerary planned out, which included all of the big tourist attractions, but most importantly I wanted to go to the Smithsonian," she says. "I don't want my first trip to D.C. to be a constant reminder of how polarized our country has become."​
 
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My brother-in-law works for the EPA. He scheduled his vacation for the next few weeks in order to avoid all the drama and he will be flying his family to various parts of the world. So in his case, he will be adding to the traffic.
 
But if you need a medical certificate or anything else from Oklahoma City you may be out of luck for awhile. If you were planning to visit one of the national parks think again.
 
steingar said:
But if you need a medical certificate or anything else from Oklahoma City you may be out of luck for awhile. If you were planning to visit one of the national parks think again.
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Dr. Bruce can add "successful government forecaster" to his CV. I recall a post saying he was out of office this week travelling. Great timing for him since the folks he would need to speak with for telephonic approval will be OTS for the period (or would that be OTO?).
 
I know someone who works for "the company" as an intelligence analyst -- and that person will be off work if it happens. :eek:
 
Nice to know that ramp checks are more "essential" than figuring out what the Russians, Chinese, Syrians, and Iranians are doing. :sad:
 
Ron Levy said:
Nice to know that ramp checks are more "essential" than figuring out what the Russians, Chinese, Syrians, and Iranians are doing. :sad:
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Ron Levy said:
Nice to know that ramp checks are more "essential" than figuring out what the Russians, Chinese, Syrians, and Iranians are doing. :sad:
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Aviation Safety Ron. Inspectors do much, much more than just ramp checks. You've spent enough time at the Grumman events pretending to be an Inspector giving ramp checks, so I would guess you would know that. :rolleyes2:
 
RotorAndWing said:
Aviation Safety Ron. Inspectors do much, much more than just ramp checks. You've spent enough time at the Grumman events pretending to be an Inspector giving ramp checks, so I would guess you would know that. :rolleyes2:
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Hiding behind your little moniker attacking those who post in the open again?


we know who Ron is, you? not so much..
 
Tom-D said:
Hiding behind your little moniker attacking those who post in the open again?


we know who Ron is, you? not so much..
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Who cares about the name? It's he content of the post that matters. We have some posters under a real name that post BS and outright lies. We also have other posters that use a pseudonym and post useful material.
 
Yea...everyone thought that "sequestration" was going to bring everything to a grinding halt and that the Earth would fall from orbit and plummet into the sun.

Didn't happen. Won't happen here. The gubmint can function with only 50% of it's bloated workforce. Only difference is that the remaining employees may actually have to start working for a living.

JMHO,

Mike
 
MikeELP said:
Yea...everyone thought that "sequestration" was going to bring everything to a grinding halt and that the Earth would fall from orbit and plummet into the sun.

Didn't happen. Won't happen here. The gubmint can function with only 50% of it's bloated workforce. Only difference is that the remaining employees may actually have to start working for a living.

JMHO,

Mike
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Sequestration was never supposed to bring things to a grinding halt. That is just what some of the political types wanted people to believe. It has been painful and damaging in many areas and this moronic shutdown on top of sequestration is epitome of an inept governing body. If there is any bloat in the federal govt that should be cut, they need to start with the White House AND Capitol Hill.


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Just got the email this evening. FAASTeam support is furloughed, any planned safety meetings with the FAASTeam manager can expect delays. Also any additions to SPANS notifications will not be processed.
 
MikeELP said:
Yea...everyone thought that "sequestration" was going to bring everything to a grinding halt and that the Earth would fall from orbit and plummet into the sun.

Didn't happen. Won't happen here. The gubmint can function with only 50% of it's bloated workforce. Only difference is that the remaining employees may actually have to start working for a living.

JMHO,

Mike
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The big worry is the debt ceiling looming just around the corner. How long has it been since we had a federal budget????
 
Cap'n Jack said:
Who cares about the name? It's he content of the post that matters. We have some posters under a real name that post BS and outright lies. We also have other posters that use a pseudonym and post useful material.
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Names give identity so people can be held responsible for what they say and do, with out it, we have this.

His posts do speak for them selves.
 
Well, we're in Coeur D'Alene ID, headed for Yosemite. WAIT! We're not going to be able to go to Yosemite, and maybe we'll get our Wawona lodge $$s refunded!

GA permits me instead to head to Seattle to visit with my nephew. Try THAT on part 121...(!)
 
bbchien said:
Well, we're in Coeur D'Alene ID, headed for Yosemite. WAIT! We're not going to be able to go to Yosemite, and maybe we'll get our Wawona lodge $$s refunded!

GA permits me instead to head to Seattle to visit with my nephew. Try THAT on part 121...(!)
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A couple of years ago, I had to make a last minute change and take an airline flight from California to Minnesota instead of a GA flight. I ended up spending a lot less money on the airline flight than I would have spent on the GA flight, in spite of booking at the last minute.
 
That doesn't work anymore, Richard. With the 40% reduction in seat miles since 2008, prices are very very tight. I just price the comparative swap- and it's more expensive on 121. Coeur D'Alene and Fresno are SMALL terminals.
 
RotorAndWing said:
Aviation Safety Ron. Inspectors do much, much more than just ramp checks. You've spent enough time at the Grumman events pretending to be an Inspector giving ramp checks, so I would guess you would know that. :rolleyes2:
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I do. But I can't think of anything they do that is more important to this country than what the intelligence analysts sitting home today do.
 
And according to HuffPo, 3000 ASIs were just put on furlough. Just ran some scenarios through my head and the furlough should not gum the works for part 121, correct?
 
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Tom-D said:
Names give identity so people can be held responsible for what they say and do, with out it, we have this.

His posts do speak for them selves.
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What identity? How are they held responsible?

What I know is, if someone posts lies and BS, I know the advice given by that person is useless, so their posts are only for entertainment value (at best). I don't need their name to judge their posts.
 
Flying is essential! (At least to me.)
 
I'm guessing this will delay processing of my plastic Instrument-Airplane certificate :(
 
Ron Levy said:
I do. But I can't think of anything they do that is more important to this country than what the intelligence analysts sitting home today do.
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Apparently your intelligence analyst friend is not in a position that is considered essential. I'm sure there is staff above him(her) that are in essential positions and they are working.
 
I wonder if this will affect my upcoming CFI initial? Possibly they will be way backed up and let me take the checkride with a DPE
 
I can only pilot VFR. So the weather affects my opportunity to fly every single day.
The FAA and its ATC system - rarely affects my opportunity to fly.
 
Jim Logajan said:
I can only pilot VFR. So the weather affects my opportunity to fly every single day.
The FAA and its ATC system - rarely affects my opportunity to fly.
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Not exactly the FAA but the NWS is being cut so your opportunity to fly might be curtailed due to a lack of weather information.
 
JOhnH said:
My brother-in-law works for the EPA. He scheduled his vacation for the next few weeks in order to avoid all the drama and he will be flying his family to various parts of the world. So in his case, he will be adding to the traffic.
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He still won't be getting a pay check.
 
roncachamp said:
Sure he will. It may or may not be delayed but he will get it, in full.
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I guess you know what congress is going to do! Good luck with that. You should go to Vegas! Right now No he is NOT going to get payed for any furlough days.
 
Tim said:
I guess you know what congress is going to do! Good luck with that. You should go to Vegas! Right now No he is NOT going to get payed for any furlough days.
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Dude, that is what they say every time the govt shuts down. Regardless of the CNN 'first time in 17 years' BS, this govt shutdown business has become a regular and unfortunately common occurrence. In every case of the government shutting down, fed employees were back payed- both those who were sent home and those who worked initially without pay. The odds are MUCH better than anything in Vegas.

What sucks though is the folks who have mortgage payments and other big bills who will miss payments because they are being used as a political tool.
 
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