F-4 Phantom Retiring
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My first TDY was to McDonnell in St Louis in 1964. The factory was wall to wall with F-4's (and F-110's as the original USAF designation).
Turkey and Iran were still flying them in active combat a year or two ago. No clue if there're still operational.
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Turkey and Iran were still flying them in active combat a year or two ago. No clue if there're still operational.
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Sigh.....
I've got too much time, blood, sweat, tears, and emotions invested in that aircraft not to be feeling a little sad about this announcement.
I'm sure there are a bunch of "Double Ugly" drivers out there feeling the same way.
I've got too much time, blood, sweat, tears, and emotions invested in that aircraft not to be feeling a little sad about this announcement.
I'm sure there are a bunch of "Double Ugly" drivers out there feeling the same way.
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I know a guy that flew wild weasel missions in the f-4. I think he had a pair of bowling ball bags to carry his balls around.
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I can understand your feelings having flown it. I was around them for 20 years as an enlisted guy, Osan, Zweibrucken, with w/ alert birds uploaded with nukes at both bases, and Eglin w/ the Test Wing. Still get a chill when I see one at an airshow. Must be a hell of a fuel bill for that. No doubt you've some great stories.
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All the weasles guys did, starting with the F100, then F105 and then the F4. Col Bud Day was a weasel in the F100 when he got shot down. A hella of a man. He has a couple books he's written, and they are amazing stories about what he went thru as a POW.
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Oh I agree! They were big, loud, and baddass jets. Thunderbirds also flew the F4.
Alright, tit for tat, here's the T-Birds!
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First time I ever heard an afterburner was when an F-4 took off during an air show at MCAS El Toro in 1964. I think I can still hear it.
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Oh I agree! They were big, loud, and baddass jets. Thunderbirds also flew the F4.
Alright, tit for tat, here's the T-Birds!
The T-Birds had tailhooks?
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Yes. All AF F-4s had tailhooks, just like the F-15s and F-16s have tailhooks.
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All the F-4s in the AF had hooks. Most fighters do in case of an emergency. Think the F-111 even had a hook.
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I think the F4 was originally supposed to be a Navy airplane.
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Actually, Bud Day wasn't a Weasel but was a Fast FAC in F-100s out of Phu Cat. Different type of mission. But, the rest of what you said is spot on! Quite a guy...
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I stand corrected! Thanks. Even after he retired he helped a lot of folks in Ft Walton Beach as an attorney, plus fought for health benefits for retirees. And if I recall, he served in the Marines in WW2, Army in the Korean War, and Air Force in Vietnam.
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It was a Navy and Marine jet first, then the Air Force picked them up I believe.
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Are you kidding? The F-111 had an ash tray! Loudest afterburner I ever heard, second only to the SR-71.
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Unfortunately never got to see an F-111 fly nor worked one ATC. Seen a couple as statics in the early 90s before they retired them. Checkered past but I always liked the Ardvark. Too me it seems like it would be like an old muscle car. Power and speed but not very nimble and always breaks.
Got a 30 year old strip on one from my brother's AF ATC days.
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I always liked the Ardvark too especially watching one land. That gear moved a LOT for what appeared to be a smooth landing in any configuration. The TF-30 afterburner was LOUD but it looked and was actually called, "the Cadillac of the sky" and I believe it. Early in my ATC career I had the opportunity to clear a lot of them to land but sadly that was their last flight and into the boneyard.
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I was at Osan AB in the mid 70s and there were 4 sitting on the ramp in plain view. Later my running partner and myself were talking to a Col and we mentioned the F-111s on the ramp. Col says, "what F-111s, there's no F-111s here". Okkkk Col, copy that!
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I've heard the first F4's were designed and built with no gun since the PTB thought the dog fight would have no place in future air war. Truth or myth?
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Correct but they modified later with a belly gun. Early missile shots in Vietnam were unreliable. A gun was still necessary.
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True and the reason all the current modern fighters have a gun was the Vietnam experience with Sparrow and Sidewinder A-A Missiles.
I was in the CSAF's Office when TAC/DR briefed the need for a gun in the F-22. We had done lots of simulations about close-in combat comparing gun kills with missile kills. "Interesting" discussion. Result was a 20mm cannon with 500 rounds was included in the design.
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Compare these to the F-35.
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Just watching Sully. Probably two of the last 2 Phantoms flying in the US in that movie.
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That worked out well. All the services used the same plane, and it was a good one.
Too bad it didn't work out so well for the F-35.
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F-111s were deployed to Korea in '76 in response to the axe murders of UNC/US personnel by NK troops in the DMZ.
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The "E" model was the first with a gun, and some airframe modifications that made it less of a PITA to fly.
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This was '73-74 when I was there, 3 or 4 of them there for just a few days.
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Correction:
Earlier models had a gun pod, I worked on D models at Holloman.
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20mm vs. 30mm, A-10 wins. Called "tank killer" for a reason.That F-4E gun looks lethal. But...
...personally, my vote goes to the gun on the nose of the A-10
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Where is that? My guess was Nellis, but not sure.
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That would be my guess.
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I'd say it's either Nellis or Indian Springs for their annual meet. Note the Tbirds painted four's tail black while the Blue's maintainers kept theirs clean.