Drunk driving

Another interesting side note - evidently teen drinking, and binge drinking among young people is dropping. Not because of MADD or any other sponsored program, but because of Twitter/Instagram/Facebook/et al.

Why? Because kids don't want to have horribly embarrassing photos/videos of them completely trashed surfacing on the internet.
 
EdFred said:
Why? Because kids don't want to have horribly embarrassing photos/videos of them completely trashed surfacing on the internet.
Click to expand...

That, and you don't have to drive somewhere to "be" with your friends.
 
JOhnH said:
That, and because it is hard to drink and text at the same time.
Click to expand...
iu
 
jspilot said:
Thanks everyone for helping getting this thread back on track and I'm sorry for any emotional driven discussion.

Here's where I'm at in my thinking. People are saying, " why make a criminal out of a glass of wine." That's not exactly my line of thought. My line of thought is this, how many of you have ever had a drink and then immediately gotten behind the yoke and flown? Why have the vast majority of us not, because it's against the law.
Click to expand...
Your conclusion is not supported by empirical data. It's not illegal for me to have one drink before getting on the scooter but I don't do it because that's my level or risk. Has zero to do with the law(s)

jspilot said:
Even my buddy EdFred said above that he limits his intake to one drink because his one permit restricts it to that. I applaud that. My point is, I hate overly restrictive laws just as much as anyone. Yet, very strict laws that are respected serve a point. We don't need to lock away everyone, just take away their license for 1 drink still in your system while driving and I'd imagine the deterrent to risk it would be enough. Lock away those that go far above the 1 drink limit.
Click to expand...
And how exactly would removal of a license prevent someone from driving? Answer, it doesn't now and won't if you add more to the list

jspilot said:
I'm fascinated by the thinking that exists amoungst the pilot population, even though you are far less likely to be caught flying while drinking than you are to be caught driving while drinking almost never do pilots drink and fly. Does that decision stem from the respect of the license, a respect for the inherit danger of flying or a combination of that and personality traits you need to be a pilot? I'm
Not sure but it is very interessting to think about.

Just because someone does not become involved in a crash while driving under the influence is not a reason to excuse the poor choice.
Click to expand...
Two different paradox; flying and driving
 
pilot_dude said:
Your conclusion is not supported by empirical data.

Originally Posted by jspilot View Post
I'm fascinated by the thinking that exists amoungst the pilot population, even though you are far less likely to be caught flying while drinking than you are to be caught driving while drinking almost never do pilots drink and fly. Does that decision stem from the respect of the license, a respect for the inherit danger of flying or a combination of that and personality traits you need to be a pilot? I'm
Not sure but it is very interessting to think about.
Click to expand...


Two different paradox; flying and driving
Click to expand...

Not only are they different paradoxes, the above is valid as well. If anybody thinks that people don't drink and fly, uhhh, hate to be the one to break the news, but it happens, and I would guess at a frequency near driving. The pilot population is not homogeneous in the slightest. There are plenty of guys get in planes drunk, heck one or two airline crews a year get busted, you think it doesn't happen GA? You're dreaming.
 
It is very interesting to read the views of some out there. I really support the idea that some things can't be legislated out of society. I've said on this very site that I think one of the best quotes ever said by anyone was I believe said by Jefferson- although many argue he never did, " a government which governs least governs best." The truth is though, I can't completely support that idea in every instance. See the thing that get's me sometimes with a lot of people who believe that their is nothing that can be done is, well it is completely defeatist and not progressive at all. It's easy to say, "well laws don't stop people from making poor choices" but the lack of progress such a stance creates makes any social progress impossible. In cases like this when an entirely preventable situation is out there, it should be fixed. So if laws are not the answer( which I can certainly agree as true,) we can't just say as a society, "well then no solution is out there", it's simply not good enough.

I've read that some inventions are out there that require the driver to blow into a breathalyzer type thing in order to start the car. Sure, very annoying and not required 99.9 percent of the time, but as was thrown at me this weekend and much more certainly thrown at my neighbors, that .1 percent of the time is beyond terrible.
 
Last edited:
What the law prevents is social punishment. Only anarchy provides freedom, whether anarchy is utopia or dystopia is the choice of the participants. That's what it means to live in a free society. People make the right decisions by choice. The thing is, we are trained by our culture to fear each other, to believe that any loss of authorities power structure of laws and prisons, all mankind will collapse into a Mad Max like future. The funny thing is, that is exactly where the fear will lead us; by our free will.
 
Right now, in my state to operate a car on public roads I have to: Be licensed by the state after passing a test, including info on alcohol and driving. Ownership regulations for my car. License and current registration for my car. Insurance min for liability. Annual inspection of the car, and engine. Now, the state wants to require me to take an alcohol test before I can drive?

Sure, why not. It's progressive and I'm the one with the problem.
 
gitmo234 said:
Yes, drunk driving is dangerous. Thats the fact that cant be argued. But what exactly will stricter laws accomplish? Current laws don't stop people.

I dont want to take the time to do some research but I'd be willing to bet childhood obesity (into adulthood) kills more people, its just more subtle. It's also probably just as correctable or even more
Click to expand...

You should take the time! Other country's are very strict on drunken driving. This country could start by getting rid of corrupt payoff practices between lawyer and judge. Many DUIs have gotten several DUIs and have legally kept on driving. It's all about money. As for deaths, drunk drivers kill over 10, 000 Americans per year, not to mention 200,000 injured, many seriously. The cost is staggering. Add to this drunks killing family and others with a gun , it's big time!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top