Delta goes for Scarebus to the tune of $40Bil

DL already has 150+ buses from NWA.........DL doesn't make any stupid moves........these are the bigger birds.......the good thing about Airbus is basically the same cockpit is used for all of them. Don't knock these french machines until you've sat in the luxury of one, room to spare with footrests and a fold out tray, a 319 has a bigger nicer boardroom than a 747........if you can fly the A319 its an easy transition to drive the A330.........get used to the "modes" and being called a retard and you're good to go............:lol:
 
Henning said:
What makes you believe the profits stay in the US? Anyone in the world can own Boeing stock, and Boeing can invest profits anywhere in the world, and I'm sure they do.
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You made my point. Boeing can do whatever they want with their money. They can keep it here, or invest it offshore, or pay a dividend, or spend it on R&D, or give it to charity, or buy back their common stock, or pay the dept heads a bonus, or, or, or. If the money is in Airbus pockets, then Boeing can't very well spend it now can they?

thanks.
 
Re: Delta goes for Scarebus to the tune of $5.6Bil

RotorAndWing said:
Etihad, Qatar, KLM, Luftansa, ANA, EVA Air just to name a few. They realized customer service is key to success.
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Unlike American companies that focus on executive bonuses.
 
docmirror said:
You made my point. Boeing can do whatever they want with their money. They can keep it here, or invest it offshore, or pay a dividend, or spend it on R&D, or give it to charity, or buy back their common stock, or pay the dept heads a bonus, or, or, or. If the money is in Airbus pockets, then Boeing can't very well spend it now can they?

thanks.
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There has been no point made whatsoever. Boeing profits make no difference to the US economy, only what money that makes it into the hands of the US public makes a difference. Boeing ships as much money overseas as EADS sends over here. If the money doesn't get spent in the local economy, it doesn't matter.
 
Henning said:
There has been no point made whatsoever. Boeing profits make no difference to the US economy, only what money that makes it into the hands of the US public makes a difference.
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Profits don't matter. I'll use that in finance class next time. You're a hoot.
 
docmirror said:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Profits don't matter. I'll use that in finance class next time. You're a hoot.
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Not to any specific national economy when we live in a global economy. To quote Alan Greenspan after everything went wrong when Congress asked him what the hell happened, "I was WRONG. There was a fundamental flaw in my view of how the world works."
 
jonnyjetprop said:
I wonder if the Delta pilot contract allows the same pilots to crew the MD-90 and the 717? It would be a major savings if they did.
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At the moment it is a different category. They have already started training the 717 crews but I don't think they are scheduled to start operations with the 717 until sometime in October.
 
Re: Delta goes for Scarebus to the tune of $5.6Bil

RotorAndWing said:
Etihad, Qatar, KLM, Luftansa, ANA, EVA Air just to name a few. They realized customer service is key to success.
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Yes, EVERYONE of the airlines you listed are subsidized in one form or another. If they were truly that good would we not just copy their business model ?
 
Henning said:
There has been no point made whatsoever. Boeing profits make no difference to the US economy, only what money that makes it into the hands of the US public makes a difference. Boeing ships as much money overseas as EADS sends over here. If the money doesn't get spent in the local economy, it doesn't matter.
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They make up a portion of the Dow Jones Industrial Average which the media still touts as the most relevant indicator of the overall health of the economy enough that it's the only stock market news one is likely to hear in a normal day when not actively looking at other sources.

(I don't like the Dow as an indicator weighed that heavily, but just mentioning it for completeness and pointing out that there's a whole lot of clueless Americans who think the Dow is that important... So yes, Boeing does have more sway than say, many much more interesting companies in the S&P or on NASDAQ. The fact that they're bankrolled by the U.S. Import/Export bank is often not spoken of compared to their contemporaries in the Dow.)
 
denverpilot said:
They make up a portion of the Dow Jones Industrial Average which the media still touts as the most relevant indicator of the overall health of the economy enough that it's the only stock market news one is likely to hear in a normal day when not actively looking at other sources.

(I don't like the Dow as an indicator weighed that heavily, but just mentioning it for completeness and pointing out that there's a whole lot of clueless Americans who think the Dow is that important... So yes, Boeing does have more sway than say, many much more interesting companies in the S&P or on NASDAQ. The fact that they're bankrolled by the U.S. Import/Export bank is often not spoken of compared to their contemporaries in the Dow.)
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That's the imaginary economy and it's why we're so screwed up. As soon as money becomes its own commodity, and people consider stock value as an indicator of value when stock value is driven by imagination, then the realities of economics are lost. Economically speaking, we live in fantasy land because fantasy is what our economic indicators are based on.
 
Henning said:
That's the imaginary economy and it's why we're so screwed up. As soon as money becomes its own commodity, and people consider stock value as an indicator of value when stock value is driven by imagination, then the realities of economics are lost. Economically speaking, we live in fantasy land because fantasy is what our economic indicators are based on.
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Yeah. There's a fine line between knowing it's all fake and also knowing the more zeros on one's personal fake numbers still equals more options than the folks without those zeros. ;)
 
denverpilot said:
Yeah. There's a fine line between knowing it's all fake and also knowing the more zeros on one's personal fake numbers still equals more options than the folks without those zeros. ;)
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We all have but one option, to die. The fallacy of our imaginary economic existence even while alive can change in a heartbeat. The problem with imaginary zeros is they can disappear just as fast as they appear as gets proven every so often when the imagination of the herd changes. The real values of the businesses and/or products produced and the effects they achieved never changes, or does so slowly with developments that supersede their need, but the imaginary value that is assigned to them can change by orders of magnitude within a day, just because people believe they do. This is the fundamental flaw of stock markets which Greenspan admittedly finally discovered, only it was too late. The other flaw he found is that the market will not police and regulate itself.
 
I'll just be happy if the seat cushions have some cushion and the overhead baggage doors don't fall off in turbulence, which is what i see in my weekly delta antique-757 ride.
 
I am an airline consumer (very little though)
I don't check to see what airplane they are flying.
I check for the low price ticket that meets my schedule and that is that.
I believe I am typical of the airline consumer - the 98%.
The 2% who are professional passengers - business/gov't/etc. - do look at what is flown but that has no impact on me.

I believe the original incident for the Scarebus moniker was when the plane's fly-by-wire computer refused the pilot's inputs at the airshow, crashing in front of thousands in the crowd. At that time Boeing did not (to my knowledge) have full fly-by-wire on it's planes. Now most new airliners are fly-by-wire with no mechanical form of over ride.
It's just the way it is.

My last commercial air flight (they dragged me aboard kicking and screaming) turned out to be on a clean, comfortable, quiet, airplane that was very nice. I had to dig out the brochure from the seat back to find out what the heck I was flying on.
Yup, a scarebus.
I was so upset I promptly went to sleep. The stews woke me up to make me put my seat upright for landing.
I was still alive!!!!! What a shock.
 
maddog52 said:
At the moment it is a different category. They have already started training the 717 crews but I don't think they are scheduled to start operations with the 717 until sometime in October.
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I know there are delays getting the 717 refurbished. I still find a bit of irony that Delta is taking AirTran cast offs since Valuejet started with Delta's cast off DC-9's.
 
Vf6cruiser said:
...Don't knock these french machines until you've sat in the luxury of one, room to spare with footrests and a fold out tray, a 319 has a bigger nicer boardroom than a 747....
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No knocks on Airbus one way or the other, but all that relates to how the individual airline configures the bird, not who crafted the airframe. Take a gander at the "room" you get on, say, Spirit, and their 319s.
 
It's interesting to see how Delta is changing it's image. I remember one big fanfare announcement that they were now an all Boeing airline.

Of course the merger with NWA would change all that, because they were using Airbus to replace truly ancient DC-9s.

The MD-80 displays were very unreliable and caused a lot of delays and cancellations. From memory, there were only 2 signal generators, so there was no MEL relief. And there were a bunch of lemon SGs and components in the spares pool.

Cockpit Installations I see now generally have three SGs, it lets you get the ship to someplace you keep parts.

NWAs DC-9 fleet was truly amazing. The FAA aging aircraft rules were tailor made for those guys. They bought up all the old junker DC-9s they could find, threw a new ultra white interior in the things and flew the heck out of them.

They were the most reliable fleet they had, but looked like bloody hell, behind the plastic. I heard there was a data plate on the L1 entry door. Folks used to take note of the DOM when they boarded, just for fun. Usually the airplane was older than most of the passengers, and really looked like it in the E&E compartment.

I think Airbus is a good airplane too.
 
Dr. O said:
I am an airline consumer (very little though)
I don't check to see what airplane they are flying.
I check for the low price ticket that meets my schedule and that is that.
I believe I am typical of the airline consumer - the 98%.
The 2% who are professional passengers - business/gov't/etc. - do look at what is flown but that has no impact on me.

I believe the original incident for the Scarebus moniker was when the plane's fly-by-wire computer refused the pilot's inputs at the airshow, crashing in front of thousands in the crowd. At that time Boeing did not (to my knowledge) have full fly-by-wire on it's planes. Now most new airliners are fly-by-wire with no mechanical form of over ride.
It's just the way it is.

My last commercial air flight (they dragged me aboard kicking and screaming) turned out to be on a clean, comfortable, quiet, airplane that was very nice. I had to dig out the brochure from the seat back to find out what the heck I was flying on.
Yup, a scarebus.
I was so upset I promptly went to sleep. The stews woke me up to make me put my seat upright for landing.
I was still alive!!!!! What a shock.
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Sounds like my last flight to MSP. The saddest part was the carrier was - gulp, Spirit. No seat recline, and the pitch between seats was tight even for someone short like me. Sad, sardine, no free food or drink, but they got me there. No sleeping though.
 
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