Delta Airlines 'Drive it like you stole it'

Wow, I can't believe that he spooled back up and took off.
 
SCCutler said:
Meh - why not?

Sign up for an extra 20 minutes inline?
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1) He probably had a good idea what happened, but did he *really* know? Like, enough to risk all the souls aboard?

2) Even if he did *really* know...can he be sure that nothing was damaged? That the gear would close? Etc.
 
I can't even imagine the loads on the gear and attach points during that sort of event. Pretty stout stuff. . . (I hope)
 
Yeah I was thinking what Jason posted and also mmmm how much usable runway was left? Apparently enough!
 
I'm bettin the tiller got stuck for a minute. A few solid "love taps" and back on the road she goes.

It looked to me like they used hardly any runway when the nose gear was stuck.

Bob
 
FlyNE said:
1) He probably had a good idea what happened, but did he *really* know? Like, enough to risk all the souls aboard?

2) Even if he did *really* know...can he be sure that nothing was damaged? That the gear would close? Etc.
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He knew that was a carpet dance waiting to happen if he aborted....but really no reason to do a rolling takeoff anyway...makes sense off a high speed but not on a 90 deg. turn
 
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I'm kinda wondering where the CG was myself and how much weight was on the nosewheel.
 
taters said:
He knew that was a carpet dance waiting to happen if he aborted....but really no reason to do a rolling takeoff anyway...makes sense off a high speed but not on a 90 deg. turn
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Rolling takeoffs from a 90 degree taxiway aren't rocket science. Just don't be that aggressive.

I've aborted plenty of takeoffs and never had to do the carpet dance. Incident or irregularity reports generally have to be written, but that's no big deal. I'm guessing that he was too lazy to do 15 minutes of writing.

He probably didn't know that he was burning that much tire. He probably thought that it was just getting a bit scuffed.

I'll place my bet that this was the last leg of the day, they had to make it to ATL because one or both of the crewmembers commute, and there's only a minimum of time for the last connecting flight home.
 
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Bobcat1 said:
Rolling takeoffs from a 90 degree taxiway aren't rocket science. Just don't be that aggressive.

I've aborted plenty of takeoffs and never had to do the carpet dance. Incident or irregularity reports generally have to be written, but that's no big deal. I'm guessing that he was too lazy to do 15 minutes of writing.

He probably didn't know that he was burning that much tire. He probably thought that it was just getting a bit scuffed.

I'll place my bet that this was the last leg of the day, they had to make it to ATL because one or both of the crewmembers commute, and there's only a minimum of time for the last connecting flight home.
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Looked like he had it lined up before putting in the last bit of T/O power too. I don't know the mad dawg at all, but if the tiller has to be pressed down to engage then there has to be a chance for it to get stuck in the engaged position too :). Although, do they use the rudders for the entire takeoff roll or are they supposed to use the tiller until reaching a certain speed?

Henning, the CG isn't important, because the Mad Dawg doesn't have one. It uses % of MAC. You can not take off with the MAC out of limits, and even under the worst of management days I have never heard of a Captain that was willing to do that.
 
looks like the guy just got the nose wheel "caught " in the 90 position due to being too into the tiller when the power was applied...notice it was smoking well before full power was in, no way hydraulics(steering) are going to win against JTD8's.
 
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Henning, the CG isn't important, because the Mad Dawg doesn't have one. It uses % of MAC.
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I can guarantee you that even the Mad Dog has a CG, just like every airplane and every other object on earth, regardless of whether you calculate it as % MAC or not. ;)
 
taters said:
He knew that was a carpet dance waiting to happen if he aborted....but really no reason to do a rolling takeoff anyway...makes sense off a high speed but not on a 90 deg. turn
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"Delta 1924, cleared for immediate takeoff runway 12, NO DELAY"
 
bob_albertson said:
Henning, the CG isn't important, because the Mad Dawg doesn't have one. It uses % of MAC. You can not take off with the MAC out of limits, and even under the worst of management days I have never heard of a Captain that was willing to do that.
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Of course it does, everything with mass has a CG in a gravitational environment. %MAC is just how it's referenced for measurement. I'm not saying it's illegally loaded as that would be CG in reference to MAC and that doesn't matter right now. I was wondering about CG in reference to the main gear and how much weight was on the nose gear. That would have an effect on how easy it was to get it skidding.
 
Put 1/2 a pound in the left sides, and take a spring rubber out of the right rear.
 
wsuffa said:
"Delta 1924, cleared for immediate takeoff runway 12, NO DELAY"
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and look at the delay they almost created, just line the plane up call rw heading push em up and go, not saying you have to stop ..Fly the plane like there are people in the back.
 
Henning said:
Of course it does, everything with mass has a CG in a gravitational environment. %MAC is just how it's referenced for measurement. I'm not saying it's illegally loaded as that would be CG in reference to MAC and that doesn't matter right now. I was wondering about CG in reference to the main gear and how much weight was on the nose gear. That would have an effect on how easy it was to get it skidding.
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That's what I was getting at. Not that the CG isn't there - poor wording on my part - but that they use the %MAC which is different numbers then what a CG is.

It would be easy to get the nose skidding as long as it was withing the limits of the MAC. I've seen something similar happen on a 767 at IAH. Same outcome :)
 
wsuffa said:
"Delta 1924, cleared for immediate takeoff runway 12, NO DELAY"
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Still the controller's problem if you can't. Let's say our Delta friends there had a V1 cut... that aircraft coming down final is probably going around.
 
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