Day parking question

BrianR

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Hope to be in the midwest with the 182 during AirVenture this year, if the weather gods cooperate, so I was thinking of going up to OSH for a day. Never having been there, and wanting to maximize my time at the show, would I be better off flying directly to OSH, or parking at FLD and taking the shuttle? I am aware, of course, of the field closure during the evening airshow. While I don't mind returning to my Iowa base after dark, I would want to depart the OSH area while it's still daylight. Is the departure rush following the airshow such that it would make more sense to depart from FLD, or is it not that bad? If it makes a difference, I'd be there early in the week.

And a (slightly) related question: I see that tiedown use is required on the grounds at OSH, but nowhere can I find if that applies only to overnight parking, or do I need to bring tiedown equipment if remaining only a few hours?
 
You're schleping all the way from the East coast and you're only going for a DAY? You're going to hit the largest concentration of aircraft on planet Earth and stay for a DAY?

But yeah, everything tied down all the time. You should be able to get out before dark.
 
You're schleping all the way from the East coast and you're only going for a DAY? You're going to hit the largest concentration of aircraft on planet Earth and stay for a DAY?

But yeah, everything tied down all the time. You should be able to get out before dark.

Yeah, I know, I know...too much to do, too little time. But it'll be one day more than I've ever spent there...:D
 
Our club is only a little over an hour from OSH and the consensus *still* is that going for a day isn't worth the hassle. If you can even stretch it just one more day I bet you'd have a tons better experience.
 
Our club is only a little over an hour from OSH and the consensus *still* is that going for a day isn't worth the hassle. If you can even stretch it just one more day I bet you'd have a tons better experience.

Really? Can you expand on this a bit? If I arrive by 10 or so, and depart after the evening air show, seems like plenty of time to look around. Obviously, I wouldn't see the entire event, but you don't think it would be worth the effort?

As for staying overnight, even if I'm able to arrange my schedule accordingly, are there any options at this late date other than camping? I am not a fan of camping. Nope, never have been, never will be.
 
Really? Can you expand on this a bit? If I arrive by 10 or so, and depart after the evening air show, seems like plenty of time to look around. Obviously, I wouldn't see the entire event, but you don't think it would be worth the effort?

As for staying overnight, even if I'm able to arrange my schedule accordingly, are there any options at this late date other than camping? I am not a fan of camping. Nope, never have been, never will be.

You'd see maybe 1/10th of it. It's a size thing. If even that. Not if you stopped walking to eat or talk to someone. ;)

Dunno on alternate arrangements. Go on the correct night and one might find themselves awake until 3AM hanging out with friends in the North 40 anyway.

Then fly out early, land somewhere, and fall asleep on the airport couch for four hours. Haha. :)
 
Our club is only a little over an hour from OSH and the consensus *still* is that going for a day isn't worth the hassle. If you can even stretch it just one more day I bet you'd have a tons better experience.

I've done a number of day trips to OSH. A little bit of OSH beats no OSH!

If you fly up try to time it so you hit Ripon at 7 am when the field opens, then plan to depart before the field closes. It's a long day, but still fun.
 
Really? Can you expand on this a bit? If I arrive by 10 or so, and depart after the evening air show, seems like plenty of time to look around. Obviously, I wouldn't see the entire event, but you don't think it would be worth the effort?

As for staying overnight, even if I'm able to arrange my schedule accordingly, are there any options at this late date other than camping? I am not a fan of camping. Nope, never have been, never will be.

Middle of the week you can usually get into one of the UW-OSH dorms without any problems. Call or email them now and see if you can get a reservation or contact them when you arrive.

Be aware that there are 2 no-fly times on Wednesday & Sat - during the afternoon airshow and the evening airshow. By the time the evening airshow is over, it'll probably be too late to depart from OSH. Field closes overnight so the campers can sleep. I don't remember the times.

So if you plan to depart after the night airshow, might be better to park at FLD.
 
Really? Can you expand on this a bit? If I arrive by 10 or so, and depart after the evening air show, seems like plenty of time to look around. Obviously, I wouldn't see the entire event, but you don't think it would be worth the effort?

As for staying overnight, even if I'm able to arrange my schedule accordingly, are there any options at this late date other than camping? I am not a fan of camping. Nope, never have been, never will be.

Missed this, sorry. I'll go ahead and reply anyway for the sake of those who might read the thread in the future.

OSH, as one of the other posters mentioned, is huge. There are a dozen or more concurrent talks/workshops going at any given time. There are half a dozen major areas to the show geographically (warbirds, vintage, commercial, seaplanes, ultralight, museum). There is a first class airshow for four hours every day.

One other reply basically said "some OSH is better than none". Obviously most of the people I hang with disagree with that. The consensus is around the stress/hassle factor to fun ratio. Flying into OSH is stressful (replace with the word "challenging" if you prefer). The procedures aren't super brutal (you'll find them simple and understandable if you have the benefit of being instrument rated. They are much simpler than more approach plates. If you're a VFR pilot you'll probably find them more complicated than your typical experience), but there is a lot of traffic to deal with. Listen to liveatc.com during the show next year. An alarming amount of that traffic is clueless. I happened to be listening to liveatc this year when a 172 pulled in front of a Citation, forcing the citation to go-around. Coincidentally, I later found out that the 172 was piloted by a racist ******* from my base who is a marginally competent pilot. He was ranting later on facebook about how ATC almost got him killed and how he had flown a "perfect" approach. I heard someone flying the RIPON approach the wrong direction. While flying myself in I heard someone who clearly hadn't read the NOTAM asking a series of questions of approach and making life more difficult for everyone else. The approaches are tight approaches, and lots of people every year fly b-52 patterns anyway and mess things up. The point being is that even if you are at the top of your game, following the procedures to the letter and sharp as hell the morning you fly in, you're still going to be occupying the same airspace as some flakes. You need more situational awareness at OSH than any other airspace out there. If at all possible, listen to liveatc before you go and get accustomed to the flow and identification points. Don't stop listening until you are highly comfortable that you could draw a map of everywhere everyone is from what you heard on the radio. This will make your actual flight much less stressful as your mental map will already be tuned up.

So you fly-in and get there at 10. You've already missed the morning workshops, so you wander around one of the other five major features. You get to them at around 10:30 since you are parked a 30 minute stroll from the one you want for 90 minutes then you get hungry. Food was much improved in 2013, but it's still not available everywhere and lines are long at lunch. So plan on a solid hour for lunch. Done with lunch you will only have an hour or so before the airshow. So you'll do a quick pass through whatever is nearby. Four hours for the airshow and then it's time to leave because by the time the airshow is done everything is shut down.

So, for the cost of a bunch of stress and avgas you got to wander around the exhibits for two hours and see the airshow. For some people that's enough. Maybe my crew is spoiled. :)

For me, I'm done going for less than three days. 2014 will likely be my first time going for the entire week.
 
OP here. Thought I should post a followup.

I did indeed go up for one day (Monday). While it was one LONG day, I thought it was definitely worth the effort.

I didn't make Ripon by 7, but I was there by 8:15. I'd pretty much memorized the arrival procedures, and watched the videos posted by EAA. It was exactly as presented, no surprises. There were three or four guys in front of me, no one immediately behind. I didn't think it was particularly stressful; I was prepared for much worse. It helped that everyone seemed to be doing what they were supposed to. Fisk ATC was chatty, gave all of us our choice of 36 or 27. Not knowing any better, I thought 36 would get me closer to the action -- as apparently did everyone else on frequency too. But nooooo...they had us all taxi north of 27 to parking. After getting the plane tied down, it was a 30+ minute wait for the shuttle. I thought about walking it, but another guy told me it would be over an hour walk to the entrance, so I waited...and waited. Don't know what the issue was that shuttles were so infrequent.

I'd studied the grounds map and location of the vendors I especially wanted to visit, but still found the grounds confusing. The maps could have been much more detailed, in my opinion. I spent a fair amount of time wandering around, looking for where I thought something should be, only to discover it was elsewhere. Next time, I'll have a better grasp of the layout.

I attended only one seminar, although there were others I'd like to have attended. I mostly needed to be off my feet for a while, and found myself right outside the federal pavilion, so I popped in. Unfortunately, I thought the presentation wasn't particularly well done...but I gave my feet a bit of a break.

Not having been, I had nothing with which to compare, but I had no issues at all with getting food. It wasn't necessarily great or cheap, but it was plentiful, and I never had to wait more than a minute or so in line.

I did not sit down to watch the afternoon airshow. I continued wandering the grounds, in and out of the various exhibit hangars and displays, looking up when I heard airplane noise.

I did spend a fair amount of time in the classics display area, but never made it to the warbird or homebuilt areas.

I was surprised that 90% of the vendors closed up shop by 5. I didn't make it over to the Flymarket area until around 5 p.m. Most of those vendors were still open.

I then started to make my way back north, to be in position to depart when the field opened after the airshow. I observed plenty of pilots sitting in their airplanes, cranking the engine the second the field opened. I wondered what their rush was all about. I found out soon enough, after leisurely starting up, when I found myself sitting in line for about an hour and 15 minutes for departure. They were using only 27 for all the departures. While the "pink shirts" seemed efficient, it still took forever to get to the front of the line.

So to summarize, yes, there was a lot I didn't get to see, I was exhausted when I got to my destination after a two hour flight from OSH, I was sunburned and my feet were in agony, and my wallet was empty...but I am not at all sorry I went for a day, and would do so again in a heartbeat!
 
I was surprised that 90% of the vendors closed up shop by 5. I didn't make it over to the Flymarket area until around 5 p.m. Most of those vendors were still open.

No choice. If you are a vendor in the exhibit halls you are unpleasantly given an escort to the doors at ten past five every night.

FLy market can go 24/7 as I recall.

Jim
 
No choice. If you are a vendor in the exhibit halls you are unpleasantly given an escort to the doors at ten past five every night.

FLy market can go 24/7 as I recall.

Jim

Huh. That seems kind of silly, considering the number of people on the grounds after 5.
 
Huh. That seems kind of silly, considering the number of people on the grounds after 5.

As someone who worked a booth for the entirety of multiple Airventures while still doing my normal job, five o'clock was Miller time and my head would have exploded if I had to stay any later.
 
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