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SixPapaCharlie

SixPapaCharlie

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First Officer 6PC
11/9/2014

I am the type of person that if I don't have a goal, I do a lot of nothing.
I am real bad about that. On the other hand, If I have a goal, I do what it takes to make it. I am real good about that.

23 months from now I turn 40. I have done the math and barring any major financial issues or personal/family issues I expect around that timeframe to be updating this thread with photos of MY plane.

I planted the first tiny bit of seed money in my "MY Plane" fund.

I'll see how it goes. No responses needed here, this is just for me.

I have gone over my mission and personal preferences with a fine tooth comb and just speculating 2 years out, on paper, the Grumman Tiger looks like a good fit for what I want. That may change but the time frame is the goal and that will keep me focused.
 
23 months from now there will be a flying car in every garage. There are two schools of thought on public declarations of goals. One holds that the peer pressure and honor will help you. The other that declaring the goal trips the reward circuit in the brain and gives you the dopamine happy, and your brain sorta checks it off as already done. No worries about the second one your friends will be here with peer pressure.
 
The goal is in motion. I have a personal commitment.
The thread it's just about coming back in 2 years and seeing the beginning and end from the other side.

I don't see this as posting my dieting goals on Facebook or anything going for accountability.
 
The Tiger's a good choice. You'll especially like having a slideback canopy in Texas.
 
Hey, Tigers are good. Tried that route and nearly got one- just before the 2008 meltdown finally caught up with my company. Later settled on a cheetah but missed the call to the seller by several hours.

So do what I did, just get a bonanza instead ;)
 
silver-eagle said:
Mrs. Six will keep you on target. Me thinks she enjoys flying nearly as much as you.
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Yeah, as we talked about this last night, he said, "You have a right to veto this. I can always just get a 150 for me to just putter around in if you decide you're not into it."

:rolleyes2:


So apparently we will have a Tiger in a little less than two years. :D
 
Mrs. SixPapaCharlie said:
Yeah, as we talked about this last night, he said, "You have a right to veto this. I can always just get a 150 for me to just putter around in if you decide you're not into it."

:rolleyes2:


So apparently we will have a Tiger in a little less than two years. :D
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Look forward to seeing what you have in 2 years.

I'm waiting on setting a timeline for that goal for when my wife finishes school and starts working. Hasn't stopped me from spending way too much time on Barnstormers, Trade-a-plane, etc. I'm hoping for a Tiger eventually as well.
 
Fredbob711 said:
Look forward to seeing what you have in 2 years.

I'm waiting on setting a timeline for that goal for when my wife finishes school and starts working. Hasn't stopped me from spending way too much time on Barnstormers, Trade-a-plane, etc. I'm hoping for a Tiger eventually as well.
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I started budgeting our money down to the penny.
It is eye opening how much money we spend on little unnecessary wants.

knocking that stuff down and doing some budget forecasting puts plane ownership and Mrs 6PC's PPL well within reach.

Edit: the biggest downside is one of those wants is flying :(
I tend to fly a lot for no real reason. That's getting cut back too.
In the end it should be worth it.
 
So what tail number ends in "6PC" if it's not _your_ plane?

Also, have you considered a partner?
 
dans2992 said:
So what tail number ends in "6PC" if it's not _your_ plane?

Also, have you considered a partner?
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6PC is my dad's plane. He made better career choices than me :lol:

I really don't want a partner or club if I can do it on my own. obviously having planes in the family helps there.
If we didn't, I would probably be in a club.

Mrs 6PC is working on her PPL, and Mom takes her first flight lesson Sunday. We may be our own club soon :)
 
If your dad owns 6PC, why get your own plane unless your needs are different?

I have some friends in a similar position. The dad has a 182 he'd owned since the 80s (60s vintage). Flys 10ish hours a year. Son started flying, rented 172s for his private and I think instrument, bought a Cherokee for himself. He might have been flying 100 hours a year, I don't know. Family still owns 2 planes that are not hugely different from eachother.

Son #2 starts flying, buys into Cherokee. Father dumps money into a 530 for the 182. Cherokee has an engine failure somewhere along the way. Now they want to sell the Cherokee and pool their money together to just have the 182. Had they done this in the first place, they'd have a really nice 182 and/or be cash ahead.

If you and your dad like going the same places at the same time and there's an actual conflict, then separate planes make sense. Same if your dad is saying "Stop freeloading and buy your own plane." Otherwise, save your money.
 
We fly together but we also fly separately.
We want 2 planes now. Mom and dad fly to their lakehouse most weekends.

Dad is looking into a TB20 so we can have 2 planes. I am encouraging him to trade the TB9 in toward the 20. He will never fly the TB9 again once he has a 20. I can't have him hanging onto a 40k plane just so I have a toy to play with too.

Also I'm not all that crazy about it. I am very good at flying it but that fat body and narrow wings make for some quirks that I don't love.

I want a plane that will fit a growing family of 4.
750 lb useful load is going to get used up quickly as the kids grow.
 
Ok, given that, sounds like some good reasons for buying your own. Makes sense.

Realizing that you're talking 23 months away from purchase, but take a look at Mooneys. An M20F will do what you want quite well with good speed and good fuel burn. The retractable gear is not a big deal, and it's a simple plane to fly. 4 adults in it? No problem.
 
I had been thinking 182 for awhile but I think I may be a low wing guy. I like the way high wing planes look. All my RC planes have been high wing. I think they look a bit more graceful in the sky but I think I am more comfortable flying a low wing.

I am not committed to the tiger at this point. That will be a moving target but on paper it fits my mission.

I sat in a Mooney once and wasn't crazy about it. Felt like a kid at the grown-up table at Thanksgiving. Kinda feels like sitting on the floor. I will probably fly a lot of different planes but ideally a low wing 120kts or better but doesn't need to be a speed demon.

Ventilation is a big issue and Socata hands down suck at getting air to the occupants.

That open hatch on the Grumman is a very inviting feature.

If I could afford a commander that would be awesome. I rode in that commander last month, and that was sort of everything I want in a plane. Roomy, low wing, fast enough, 2 doors.

Maybe that will be my 50th birthday present. ;)




While we are at it
Why do most low wing planes only have 1 door?
I realize if I crash in a plane I will probably die but having the only door jam on impact (and I realize that exact thing has killed grumman pax) and not having another out is mostly psychological but it gives pause for sure.
 
Henning said:
Look at a 182 that you can later upgrade to a 260 Katmai.
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There is a very nice 182 and Bonanza within 200 yards of his current hangar he can buy into anytime he wants.
 
Rent a 182 and go camping sometime with the family. You'll quickly start liking high wings as well.
 
Yep, sounding like another soon to be bonanza owner to me...
 
Henning said:
Rent a 182 and go camping sometime with the family. You'll quickly start liking high wings as well.
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As much as I am a died-in-the-wool low wing guy and think high wings look like that "special" kid in the back of the classroom, this is one area where the absolutely shine. I was very impressed at 6Y9 when Tony, Leah, Chris, and Rachel all got out of the 182RG with enough gear to build a 5-star hotel, and then we had some shade while construction was ongoing.

Of course, wings on the 310 are high enough that I can comfortably sit under them, but I won't land it on grass.
 
6pc, not sure why but I see u in a blimp. Not the fastest, but I believe they hold up to 12 people and have ample ventilation. Plus, they're kinda badass. 2 years to blimp ownership. I'm pulling for u.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
I had been thinking 182 for awhile but I think I may be a low wing guy. I like the way high wing planes look. All my RC planes have been high wing. I think they look a bit more graceful in the sky but I think I am more comfortable flying a low wing.

I am not committed to the tiger at this point. That will be a moving target but on paper it fits my mission.

I sat in a Mooney once and wasn't crazy about it. Felt like a kid at the grown-up table at Thanksgiving. Kinda feels like sitting on the floor. I will probably fly a lot of different planes but ideally a low wing 120kts or better but doesn't need to be a speed demon.

Ventilation is a big issue and Socata hands down suck at getting air to the occupants.

That open hatch on the Grumman is a very inviting feature.

If I could afford a commander that would be awesome. I rode in that commander last month, and that was sort of everything I want in a plane. Roomy, low wing, fast enough, 2 doors.

Maybe that will be my 50th birthday present. ;)




While we are at it
Why do most low wing planes only have 1 door?
I realize if I crash in a plane I will probably die but having the only door jam on impact (and I realize that exact thing has killed grumman pax) and not having another out is mostly psychological but it gives pause for sure.
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You *really* want a turbo Dakota. Make me an offer that forces me to sell it to you....

:D
 
eman1200 said:
6pc, not sure why but I see u in a blimp. Not the fastest, but I believe they hold up to 12 people and have ample ventilation. Plus, they're kinda badass. 2 years to blimp ownership. I'm pulling for u.
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If I get a blimp, I am getting two.
I used to want to start an extreme sport that was sort of like bumper blimps.

They just come at each other real "fast" (HAHAHA) an boing off one another.
Not sure how points are scored though.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
If I get a blimp, I am getting two.
I used to want to start an extreme sport that was sort of like bumper blimps.

They just come at each other real "fast" (HAHAHA) an boing off one another.
Not sure how points are scored though.
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Give me a call when you're kitted up for combat, I'll play 'Bumper Blimps' with you.:yes: Sumo rules, you knock the other guy out of the ring.
 
I bet this guy has to beat the ladies away with a stick



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*I do not condone beating ladies with or without a stick. It is an expression
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
If I get a blimp, I am getting two.
I used to want to start an extreme sport that was sort of like bumper blimps.

They just come at each other real "fast" (HAHAHA) an boing off one another.
Not sure how points are scored though.
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That would be a gas.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
I had been thinking 182 for awhile but I think I may be a low wing guy. I like the way high wing planes look. All my RC planes have been high wing. I think they look a bit more graceful in the sky but I think I am more comfortable flying a low wing.

I am not committed to the tiger at this point. That will be a moving target but on paper it fits my mission.

I sat in a Mooney once and wasn't crazy about it. Felt like a kid at the grown-up table at Thanksgiving. Kinda feels like sitting on the floor. I will probably fly a lot of different planes but ideally a low wing 120kts or better but doesn't need to be a speed demon.

Ventilation is a big issue and Socata hands down suck at getting air to the occupants.

That open hatch on the Grumman is a very inviting feature.

If I could afford a commander that would be awesome. I rode in that commander last month, and that was sort of everything I want in a plane. Roomy, low wing, fast enough, 2 doors.

Maybe that will be my 50th birthday present. ;)




While we are at it
Why do most low wing planes only have 1 door?
I realize if I crash in a plane I will probably die but having the only door jam on impact (and I realize that exact thing has killed grumman pax) and not having another out is mostly psychological but it gives pause for sure.
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I'm a big fan of the Commander. I love having two doors.
 
Disregard.

Just received the announcement that my company has been bought by a competitor and being parted out to some other shops.

All hopes and dreams temporarily abandoned :mad:
 
Oh man, that sucks.
 

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SixPapaCharlie said:
Disregard.

Just received the announcement that my company has been bought by a competitor and being parted out to some other shops.

All hopes and dreams temporarily abandoned :mad:
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Time to get your CFI and go pro.:D :no: You got a deadline, job or no job.:yes:
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
Disregard.

Just received the announcement that my company has been bought by a competitor and being parted out to some other shops.

All hopes and dreams temporarily abandoned :mad:
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That sucks man...

Time to take your screenwriting skills pro and pitch 'This Week on PoA' to the networks.

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It will be fine.
I will find another gig and one that probably pays a lot more but this one was cushy (I haven't even showered today ;) )

Just sitting in my home office watching container ships sail from port to port has been a fun gig.
 
I will post this for Henning. He may be familiar with the players. And if so probably knows this was a long time coming.

I can only share what is in the press release

Horizon Lines, Inc. (OTCQB: HRZL) ("Horizon Lines" or the "Company") today announced that it would cease providing liner service between the U.S. and Puerto Rico by the end of 2014 due to continuing losses without the prospect of future profitability.


Horizon Lines, Inc. also announced today that it has entered into definitive agreements for a series of transactions that will result in the sale of the entire company, the first being the sale of its Hawaii business to The Pasha Group ("Pasha"), followed by Horizon Lines, Inc.'s subsequent acquisition by Matson, Inc. ("Matson") (NYSE: MATX).
Horizon Lines' decision to terminate its Puerto Rico service is independent of those transactions, and the Company intends to cease operations between the U.S. and Puerto Rico whether or not the transactions with Pasha and Matson are consummated.


"We have a 56-year history in the Puerto Rico trade and truly value the relationships we have established," said Steve Rubin, President and Chief Executive Officer of Horizon Lines. "Unfortunately, a combination of factors, including uncertain prospects for the Puerto Rican economy, losses over recent years and more expected going forward, aging ships that we cannot afford to continue to maintain or replace, and upcoming large capacity additions by two other carriers has led to this difficult but prudent and necessary decision."

The Company is expected to incur restructuring charges between $90 million to $100 million related to terminating its Puerto Rico operations.


These charges include the cost of employee severance and termination benefits of $35 million to $45 million and costs of $55 million primarily related to equipment impairment and contract termination costs. Approximately $85 million to $95 million of the charges are expected to result in cash payments. These costs are preliminary estimates and are subject to change.
 
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