Coronavirus hysteria is hurting every one.

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  1. flhrci

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    Our Governor here in Ohio just ordered all dine-in restaurants and bars to close at 9:00pm tonight. Only take out food will be available for the forseeable future.

    I went to Kroger today fro a few things and not play into the hysteria. They were out of most perishables sadly. I should have gone to the expensive IGA here in town first.

    I don't want to overstock but all of these panicky people may force me to this week.

    And I am supposed to start a new job on the 30th so I am worried about that to.

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    that makes you one of the panicky people.
     
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    I always have a months of MREs & water in the basement so lack of supplies haven’t affected me at all. No chance of being put on lockdown with my job so my employment isn’t threatened. Still keeping my fingers crossed that’ll I’ll get told to take 2 weeks off though. :D
     
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    I would cal lit being proactive and getting things I am out of when they are in stock. I won't buy 20 packages of TP or 10 gallons of milk. I am single. The 1 gallon of the limit of 2 was fine for me today and will last all week. Unfortunately, when people get like this, you have to be more active to get the things you need to have such as food.

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    There no food on the shelves because everyone out there is saying the same thing you just said.
     
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    Same here, I also have boxes of MRE's and still some equipment from my days in the military. (pro masks and what not.) It is a bit crazy here in Alabama. we just got the state of emergency and the schools state wide are closed.
    Not to mention Costco, sam's club and Wal-mart are insane right now. People are fighting over toilet paper.
     
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    You don’t have to have people going in and hoarding 20 packages of TP to deplete their stock. All it takes is everyone going in and buying 1 package of TP. You prevent a run on stock by always being prepared to hunker down for a few weeks at a time. Most don’t do that so you have the inevitable panic buying that we have now. Predicable.
     
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    My running joke is that I have more ice packs (for the knee, elbow, shoulder) than food in my freezer. Well, that's true for the upstairs freezer. But the big freezer downstairs is just chock full of stuff. Dog is on the monthly delivery from Chewy's, so he's ok.
     
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    I think I was the only one at Costco on Friday NOT looking for TP or water (shingles shot). Talking to one of the managers - lines started at 7 am, once inside, they had 4 cops in the back of the building where the water and paper products are located. There was a fight in the front lobby, too. I was real happy I was in the corner away from all that. (took longer than expected)
     
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    Lol! I’ve actually got pro mask as well...and a MOPP suit. A bit overkill I guess. Got a go bag that is ready to go with water bags, MREs, water filtration, iodine tablets, etc.
     
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    I’ve been looking for the Shingles shot for over a year now. No one has it in stock in my area. One pharmacy had it but wouldn’t give it to me because I wasn't over 50 yet.
     
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    Do you have a recommendation for a good place to buy MREs? I’m sure nothing is available right now but I’m looking to follow your strategy and get a months supply once all of this dies down to have on hand in the future.
     
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    Actually, yeah. It does take more than every person buying one extra package. It takes people buying five or six times normal according to local grocery store manager. They keep extra in stock until April when they normally start reducing slowly and ramp inventory back up in September. During winter they double the on hand stock to handle the usual panic buys they get around large snow storms. So, if you work backwards, even in a southern store, they likely carry two/three times capacity.

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    The VA tried to push me into it a couple months ago. I am 48. She said it is 3 shots over a 6 month or so period. I scheduled it and cancelled it later on when I decided to wait. I did take the pneumonia shot since it is easy to get.
     
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    The reason TP is in short supply is that every time somebody sneezes or coughs, the nearest 10 people s*** themselves.

    Cheers
     
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    The 'pandemic' is causing another pandemic. Nutty.

    Well, at least I get to cash-out refi and buy cheap investments, glad I started the process last week to beat the rush. I might actually be able to keep my own airplane in retirement now.
     
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    Amazon is where I get mine. Everyone has cranked up their prices right now so I’d wait awhile before buying. Plenty of other retailers that sell a “survival” type food on Amazon as well so don’t limit yourself to just MREs. I like them because that’s what I’m familiar with and they have other things (matches, hand wipes, TP) that could come in handy. Roughly a 5 year shelf life.
     
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    Odd that you put pandemic in quotes. Does that imply you don't think what's going on meets that definition?
     
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    Is there some law requiring a grocery store to have 2-3 packages of TP for every citizen in their city or even county? I’ve got 28,000 people in my county and only 3 grocery stores. I seriously doubt each of them has 28,000 packages of TP in stock on any given day. Not to mention other personal hygiene items to cover and entire county.
     
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    Most people are panic buying even the MREs and freeze dried foods. I found a place that still sells #10 cans of Mountain House freeze dried foods that I consider to be pretty tasty. They still have those cans in stock, and it makes for good emergency/backup food. The cans have a 30 year shelf life. (Good for earthquake country like I live in.)

    https://www.thereadystore.com/advancedsearch/result/?q=Eggs+ham+peppers
     
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    Quotes as a qualifier. World-wide, pandemic for sure, that guy at WHO says so, and he holds the hammer. Regionally, not so straightforward.
     
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    Just curious: What region are you in where it's not a pandemic?

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    Yea, you shouldn’t need it. I waited 3 months for mine to come in. If you haven’t already, get the Hep A&B vaccines
     
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    The 3 shots are for Hepatitis, Shingles is 2 shots.
     
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    Hopkins raw data, my favorite! My regions:

    Currently in Maryland (31 active, none in my county):

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    Tomorrow, back to Nevada (21 active, none in my county):

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    Next week (travel bans permitting), St. Thomas (1 active):

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    Consensus is unlikely, I get that.

    From Doctor Merriam Webster:

    Origins of Epidemic and Pandemic
    Epidemic, which may be traced to the Greek epidḗmios (“within the country, among the people, prevalent (of a disease)”), may carry broader meanings, such as “excessively prevalent,” “contagious,” or “characterized by very widespread growth or extent” (often used in a non-medical sense). Pandemic is less often encountered in a broad and non-medical sense, but does have additional senses, including “affecting the majority of people in a country or a number of countries”, “found in most parts of the world and in varied ecological conditions,” and “of or relating to common or sensual love” (in this last sense the word is usually capitalized). Pandemic comes from the Greek pandēmos (“of all the people”), which itself is from pan- (“all, every”) and dēmos (“people”).

    On the Novel Coronavirus
    Some organizations and scientists had recommended calling the coronavirus a pandemic in the weeks prior to the World Health Organization deciding to do so. It is worth noting, however, that there is no clear line distinguishing an epidemic from a pandemic. The latter is, from a public health perspective, worse than the former, but there is sufficient overlap between the two that at certain points consensus is unlikely. The coronavirus has, unfortunately, spread now to such a global extent, and with such severity, that we appear to have moved past the point of semantic ambiguity; the disease has taken on pandemic proportions.
     
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    All perception.
     
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    "This product is out of stock but is available for pre-order and will ship when available."
     
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    I'm buying cat food. Smells great if you're hungry enough!
     
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    Mountain house but it’s out of stock for everything. Check with Epicenter, another MRE seller. Omeals used to sell military-style but it looks like they’ve gone entirely consumer.

    As for bug out bag, where would you go? My only viable and preferred option is Canada.
     
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    Greenland, Iceland and Antarctica still look good.
     
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    I usually buy direct from Mountain House....
     
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    Silly land lovers lol

    Truth is, I’m not even debating casting off my lines right now, unless I see military nonsense or someone explode, meh
     
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    Ooops. They had product available as of a couple days ago as I directed some friends to their site, and they weren't gouging. Sorry for the bum steer...
     
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    We just got back from a wedding in Florida, so needed milk, bread, bananas, etc.

    dropped by Safeway at 7am Saturday. The parking lot was full, no carts available, but store didn't seem crowded, and all checkouts running made the wait reasonable... asst manager told me they usually receive 3 semi trucks a day to restock. The past week, it's been 14 semis a day...
     
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    New definition of an optimist: someone who can look at this chart and look at the remaining gaps in the US and still put "pandemic" in quotes.

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    It’s the breakdown in civility that scares me. I went shopping today after a quick flight. There was the couple-60’s holding way too many groceries in their handy-didn’t want to take a cart due to germs. Wife at the deli counter. Husband hovering around muttering to himself-clearly ****ed off. Wife watches the last slicing cheese, who is wearing gloves- starts to scream at her to take those gloves off and wash her hands and put new gloves on. Husband muttering and hovering still. You can see the fear and panic in everyone’s eyes. I have never really seen that before.
     
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    So far here in E TN, there's none of that.
     
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    Why not just buy canned and dry goods that you routinely eat. Sure, some of it is crap, but if (for instance) you eat 10 cans of tuna a year, 20 cans of black beans, 3 jars of marinara, 5 pounds of pasta, 5 pounds of rice, 5 pounds of oatmeal a year, just stockpile enough of those items to last 3-6 months. Then, use a FIFO system to consume and replenish the food. That way, you're not spending money to buy something you'll never use, but you will have safety stock on hand.
     
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    Someone said loud words?

    What bothers me is all the meek fools who give up their rights over what amounts to a nasty flu.
     
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