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One assumes all his FAA certificates have been revoked, too, along with the criminal conviction and probably jail time.
 
In all, his logbook shows 90 hours of flight and 41 hours of cross-country flight hours that he did not complete.
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What a moroon. If you're going to lie, cheat or steal, go big or go home.

On a second note, does the FAA perform investigations for ATP applicants?

* Note: I do not condone lying, cheating or stealing
 
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Dang.....I've unfortunately heard alot of stories of guys pencil whipping their logs to get a job, but this is the first time I've heard of someone doing it to get their ratings in the first place.

What an idiot. Glad they busted him.
 
I might be looking at a speed bump in my own pursuits, but at least I have my integrity. This guy would fall into the "jerk" category, no poll necessary IMO...
 
Probably would have worked if he had just switched schools.
 
Rotor&Wing said:
Not sure what you mean by "investigations".
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How much scrutiny do they look into the ATP qualifications? When I did my PP the IACRA was all there was and my CFI and Schools' attestation.
 
Jaybird180 said:
How much scrutiny do they look into the ATP qualifications? When I did my PP the IACRA was all there was and my CFI and Schools' attestation.
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The DPE (or ASI) will look over the logbook. Most of the time this is to insure compliance with the hour requirements for the rating.

In the old days to take the ATP written you had to take your logbook to the GADO ( now FSDO ) and have an Inspector review it, then give an authorization for the ATP written.
 
So if the next crook is smarter than this guy, what controls are in place to catch them?
 
Jaybird180 said:
So if the next crook is smarter than this guy, what controls are in place to catch them?
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Basically, none. Only if someone really looks at it carefully will a well-executed falsification like that be found. Most of the time, I think it's sheer chance, like someone handing over a logbook with a bunch of time in a plane the person examining the log happens to recognize as belonging to someone else, or having crashed a couple of years before the logged flights, or something like that. Examples:
  • Pilot not 135-qualified logged PIC time on both legs of pick-up or drop-off flights when flying the empty leg. Discovered during logbook review for initial 135 qualification.
  • Pilot altered 1981 flight review endorsement to 1989 to cover flights made in 1990 before submitting log for review stemming from an accident in 1992. "Out of sequence" entry resulted in further investigation and discovery.
  • Pilot submitted log for ATP written review (see R&W's post on point) showing 131 hours flying commercial ops during a 3-month period in which company records showed only 63 hours. Not stated, but guessing the inspector was familiar with the company's operation and didn't think numbers looked right.
  • Logbooks reviewed after an accident with two pilots aboard. Both pilots had logged identical PIC times for over 200 flights together in the same aircraft. Flights were not properly logged as training, and two pilots were not required for the entirety of the flights.
  • Witnesses reported seeing the pilot flying a Citation when two pilots were required with the pilot's non-pilot son in the right seat. Review of the pilot's logbook showed an entry indicating the regular co-pilot was aboard, which the regular co-pilot denied, and the regular co-pilot's log had no entry for the flight.
  • Student reported instructor's falsification after instructor failed to provide training for which student had already paid instructor.
...and there are 40 more NTSB cases of 61.59 violations I didn't review, not to mention who-knows-how-many cases that didn't make it to the NTSB.
 
Wait, what?

Hussein Al-Daous has been released pending sentencing. Since his indictment in February, he has been free on the condition that he not leave Iowa and surrender his Saudi Arabian passport. Prosecutors say he has dual citizenship in U.S. and that country, and he needed an Arabic interpreter during court proceedings.​
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What about that "English Proficient" thing that is appearing on our certificates? :mad2::mad2::mad2:​
 
Jaybird180 said:
So if the next crook is smarter than this guy, what controls are in place to catch them?
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As far as the FAA is concerned, unfortunately, stuff like this is usually only 'investigated' or exposed after an incident/accident or a whistle-blower informs the FAA....unless the guy is REALLY stoopid (as was this particular case).

More commonly, stuff like this is caught in airline interviews and logbook reviews. Many airline interviewers can tell when you are BS'ing your logs.
 
Fearless Tower said:
More commonly, stuff like this is caught in airline interviews and logbook reviews. Many airline interviewers can tell when you are BS'ing your logs.
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Many years ago I sat on our airline's interview board. We would take turns doing interviews, sim rides and log book reviews.

You are correct, the BS artist are easy to detect. ;)
 
Rotor&Wing said:
Many years ago I sat on our airline's interview board. We would take turns doing interviews, sim rides and log book reviews.

You are correct, the BS artist are easy to detect. ;)
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To be fair, you only know about the ones you caught.
 
Ron Levy said:
Basically, none. Only if someone really looks at it carefully will a well-executed falsification like that be found. Most of the time, I think it's sheer chance, like someone handing over a logbook with a bunch of time in a plane the person examining the log happens to recognize as belonging to someone else, or having crashed a couple of years before the logged flights, or something like that. Examples.
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No Ron, the FAA can't catch any one without some body turning them in.

They are the 800 pound gorilla in the room that only eats what is handed him.
 
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Tom-D said:
No Ron, the FAA can't catch any one with some body turning them in.

They are the 800 pound gorilla in the room that only eats what is handed him.
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And even then, they won't touch the food, information, or investigate further. That's too much like work.
 
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