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RogerT

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Spent my Sunday taking the concealed carry class today. Just gotta
get my paperwork to the State Patrol and get that started. Woo hoo.

RT
 
Congrats. Good job. Carry responsibly.
 
Welcome to the club Roger! Be sure you memorize where you are not allowed to carry concealed less you get yourself in hot water.
 
Congrats!!!............... I let my CCW lapse. In AZ anything in a glove-box or purse is not considered concealed if holstered. So it was kinda pointless for me. But then,.................. you probably don't carry a purse. :D

Oh, and stay out of Wal-mart. They're CCW un-friendly. They seem to like the law abiding citizens to leave weapons in the car. :dunno:
 
The class I took also is certified for Utah. Nebraska isn't reciprocating
with other states yet. So while there are a 1/2 doz or so that'll honor
the Nebraska permit .. that still leaves a lot that don't. By using this particular
trainer I can send an app to Utah since they issue to non-residents.
That'll greatly increase the states I can carry in.
 
Although I don't own a weapon I'm perfectly happy and quite glad to see so many others obtain a CCW permit. In fact, I think communities should encourage it and advertise that encouragement.

Now, if that had only been the case at Luby's Cafeteria a decade back.
 
KennyFlys said:
Now, if that had only been the case at Luby's Cafeteria a decade back.
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IIRC, the daughter of a couple that died during that massacre, had a gun, but left it in the car because it wasn't allowed in the restaurant. I remember seeing her interviewed about that.
 
Frank Browne said:
IIRC, the daughter of a couple that died during that massacre, had a gun, but left it in the car because it wasn't allowed in the restaurant. I remember seeing her interviewed about that.
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Quite correct. Neal Boortz has made an example of that case many times. Just the week before last, Neal had the chance to interview her in person. She's a sales person at the radio station that was hosting him during his book tour. She's testified in front of many state legislatures. She needs to be put on camera with some major reporters telling her story. But, you won't catch that on CBS or the like.
 
To expand this discussion a little:

The airlines now allow their pilots to be armed after a class, and many are. The different states have different rules about if a CCW permit issued in one state is considered "legal" for carry in another state. Many of the "shall issue" states have agreements to honor the permits issued elsewhere, but the "may issue" states are less accomodating. So what about when you are flying interstate? Carry or no? What checking do you do? Any easy way to know if where you are going will arrest you for a weapon even if you have a CCW from your home state?

After a quick google search I found this:

http://www.ccrkba.org/reciprocity.html

It is the most recent "good faith" listing of reciprocity for CCW I have found, dated 2006. Any better ideas? Out west it looks like I have a problem in California, Oregon, Arizona and Nevada. Going to visit my mom I also have a problem in Wyoming, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Seems like Washington needs to accept some from some other states in order to have the Washington permits accepted elsewhere.
 
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N6399A said:
Oh, and stay out of Wal-mart. They're CCW un-friendly. They seem to like the law abiding citizens to leave weapons in the car. :dunno:
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It seems to depend on the Wal-Mart. Some do and some don't mind CCW. Of course, concealed means concealed. I just don't worry about it anymore...
 
This discussion was going on over on the "red board" for quite awhile.
I have a carry permit, so I am not "anti gun".
It CAN get you a felony conviction REAL quick if you conceal and carry into another state. Just taking a weapon into another state usually won't amount to anything, it is the CONCEAL part that gets you in trouble though. Please check the laws CLOSELY before you decide to do it. It only takes one person seeing your weapon in your coat etc.. to call the police and you are in jail, if you don't get shot first.
As far as the shooting described in other posts. Would it have made a difference, really NO ONE knows. There is HUGE difference between having a weapon and looking into the eyes of someone else and pulling the trigger.
As an old movie line stated "being willing" is the key.

Mark B.
 
There was incident at a local Walmart where a guy had a firearm tucked into his waistband, and when reaching for something on a top shelf, exposed the firearm to view. Another shopper alerted the police, and after being detained briefly to determine that he was carrying legally, was released. I am acutely aware of this possibility whenever and wherever I carry. Nobody is ever aware that I am armed.
 
NC Pilot said:
Another good resource is: http://www.packing.org/

Let's you search for information from each state regarding the laws for each state.
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Thanks. According to that sight Arizona was added as accepting the WA CCW as of 12/2006.

As for the concealed part of the CCW, what are the options? If you wear it in a holster on your belt without a coat over it someone is going to call the police for sure. So you end up leaving it locked in the plane or the car, and get it out only if the situation looks bad in advance.
 
Dwight B. Van Zanen said:
As for the concealed part of the CCW, what are the options? If you wear it in a holster on your belt without a coat over it someone is going to call the police for sure. So you end up leaving it locked in the plane or the car, and get it out only if the situation looks bad in advance.
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I have to wonder about some airports that may be owned and operated by some fairly liberal authority, be it municipal or county. Could they take action against you if you have a lawfully-held weapon on your privately-owned, federally-licensed aircraft while on "their" airport? JFK or others in the NY area could be just such a situation.
 
KennyFlys said:
I have to wonder about some airports that may be owned and operated by some fairly liberal authority, be it municipal or county. Could they take action against you if you have a lawfully-held weapon on your privately-owned, federally-licensed aircraft while on "their" airport? JFK or others in the NY area could be just such a situation.
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JFK is in NEW YORK CITY! I suspect they don't recognize that a handgun can be "lawfully-held", do they? :confused: :confused:
 
Dwight B. Van Zanen said:
Thanks. According to that sight Arizona was added as accepting the WA CCW as of 12/2006.

As for the concealed part of the CCW, what are the options? If you wear it in a holster on your belt without a coat over it someone is going to call the police for sure. So you end up leaving it locked in the plane or the car, and get it out only if the situation looks bad in advance.
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Not sure what you're asking but, I carry my Kimber in an "inside the pants" holster. A T-shirt, sweater, jacket, etc., over it and it's completely concealed.
 
Frank Browne said:
Not sure what you're asking but, I carry my Kimber in an "inside the pants" holster. A T-shirt, sweater, jacket, etc., over it and it's completely concealed.
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I appreciate the fact that you conceal it well. BUT, if someone does happen to spot it. You CAN be CONVICTED of carrying a concealed weapon if that particular state does not recognize your particular states permit.
 
Frank Browne said:
Not sure what you're asking but, I carry my Kimber in an "inside the pants" holster. A T-shirt, sweater, jacket, etc., over it and it's completely concealed.
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Sorry I was not clear. I mean, since I have CCW from Washington, when I am passing through other states that do not "recognize" that as legit, what are my options? I am not CCW legal in Oregon, so it needs to be locked in the plane or the car if I am passing through. Or I carry and can end up in jail if someone sees it. I have an in the pants holster too. Not always entirely concealed if someone knows where to look and what to look for, like perhaps a policeman or security guard. Not worth the chance of jail time. But what happens if I carry in the open? Same policeman or security guard is going to have me on the floor face down while he asks some questions.
 
markb5900 said:
I appreciate the fact that you conceal it well. BUT, if someone does happen to spot it. You CAN be CONVICTED of carrying a concealed weapon if that particular state does not recognize your particular states permit.
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As yet, I've not traveled out of Florida since getting my permit. But if I travel through a state that does not have a reciprocal agreement with Fla, it'll be unloaded, and locked in it's case.
 
Dwight B. Van Zanen said:
Sorry I was not clear. I mean, since I have CCW from Washington, when I am passing through other states that do not "recognize" that as legit, what are my options? I am not CCW legal in Oregon, so it needs to be locked in the plane or the car if I am passing through. Or I carry and can end up in jail if someone sees it. I have an in the pants holster too. Not always entirely concealed if someone knows where to look and what to look for, like perhaps a policeman or security guard. Not worth the chance of jail time. But what happens if I carry in the open? Same policeman or security guard is going to have me on the floor face down while he asks some questions.
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Sorry, I misunderstood. I would assume that would be the result of open carry.
 
N6399A said:
:( I had a Kimber............ 45 Pro Carry. My all time favorite. Think I need another one. :yes:
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There sure are a lot of women pilots here into weapons. Gosh, I better think twice before I ever marry a female pilot! :eek:




:goofy:
 
KennyFlys said:
There sure are a lot of women pilots here into weapons. Gosh, I better think twice before I ever marry a female pilot! :eek:
:goofy:
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Ah, shucks, we're not that scary....hehehehehehe :rofl:
 
CapeCodJay said:
If Pilots can carry - Should flight attendants be able to?
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That would be very scary, a bunch of employees that are already mad at the world and the stupid PAX that they have to deal with packing heat. I can see it now.

"I said that would not fit in the overhead, try slamming it shut again and you'll make my day" :D:rofl::D
 
Frank Browne said:
Not sure what you're asking but, I carry my Kimber in an "inside the pants" holster. A T-shirt, sweater, jacket, etc., over it and it's completely concealed.
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Frank, how do you like your Pro-Carry? Looks nice. I think it is time for me to take the class and get my CC, but my Glock 21 is too big a horse to carry around.

I like the Pro-Carry, but I also like the safety system on the Glock, no BS ready to go.

So, I'm thinking either Pro-Carry, or Glock 23 .40 :dunno:
 
Bill Jennings said:
Frank, how do you like your Pro-Carry? Looks nice. I think it is time for me to take the class and get my CC, but my Glock 21 is too big a horse to carry around.

I like the Pro-Carry, but I also like the safety system on the Glock, no BS ready to go.

So, I'm thinking either Pro-Carry, or Glock 23 .40 :dunno:
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I've never fired the Glock 21 so I can't really compare the two. But I do love my Pro Carry II. It's slab sided stature makes it very easy to conceal. It is a classic 1911 model except for it's 4" barrel. It's a little on the heavy side at 28 ounces with an empty magazine. It has two safeties, the grip safety, and the thumb safety. The thumb safety is very solid and positive, yet easy to move off or on. I've fired approximately 2000 rounds through it since I bought it in October, and it is as accurate a handgun as I've ever fired. Using good quality ammo I can shoot consistant 2" groups of aimed shots at 10 yards. Typical range ammo has been less consistant with occasional feed jams. My defense loads are Winchester 230 gr JHP's, and are very accurate with nary a problem feeding. I recently fired a friends H&K 9mm and found it less accurate than my Kimber. I do have to admit though that since it's a single action semi-auto, it was a little strange for me at first carrying it with the hammer back (there is no half cock position), so for awhile I carried it with a full clip and no round chambered. However, having spent a good amount of time (and ammo) at the range, I've gotten accustomed to it very nicely. Like I said, the thumb safety is very solid and a positive click assures that it is either on or off. I love mine, and would recommend at least trying one.
 
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Frank Browne said:
I recently fired a friends H&K 9mm and found it less accurate than my Kimber.
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I liked the feel of my H&K USP Compact 9, and it was pretty dead on, but the extractor kept flinging brass up and backwards towards my face instead of out and to the right. The shop told me it just needed a little filing, but I ended up getting rid of it. I always hoped that was just a defect in the one I purchased because I really wouldn't mind getting one again if I knew it'd work properly. :/

Though I have considered a revolver for CC...
 
wbarnhill said:
I liked the feel of my H&K USP Compact 9, and it was pretty dead on, but the extractor kept flinging brass up and backwards towards my face instead of out and to the right. The shop told me it just needed a little filing, but I ended up getting rid of it. I always hoped that was just a defect in the one I purchased because I really wouldn't mind getting one again if I knew it'd work properly. :/

Though I have considered a revolver for CC...
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I looked at a S&W .357 revolver at the range/gun store where I shoot. Tiny little thing it was, and only 12 ounces...12 ounces! Can you imagine firing a 12 oz .357?! The guy behind the counter said he managed to put 5 rounds through it, and his hand only stung for a little while. Actually, I'm thinking of buying a revolver myself. Not sure what yet, but definitely a .357 Magnum.
 
Bill Jennings said:
Frank, how do you like your Pro-Carry? Looks nice. I think it is time for me to take the class and get my CC, but my Glock 21 is too big a horse to carry around.

I like the Pro-Carry, but I also like the safety system on the Glock, no BS ready to go.

So, I'm thinking either Pro-Carry, or Glock 23 .40 :dunno:
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I love my baby Glock (27) and a lot of the folks at my favorite gunshop carry the baby. I've also got the 23, but it was still real bulky on me. The husband has a Sig 232 that's really nice and streamlined, but I just can't part with my Baby.:D
 
markb5900 said:
It only takes one person seeing your weapon in your coat etc.. to call the police and you are in jail, if you don't get shot first.
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Well, according to the concealed class that I took, if others can see it, it ain't concealed. :no: A concealed carry permit means just that . . . . it MUST be completely concealed at all times. If any part of the weapon is exposed, then it is not concealed according to your permit.

However, if the gun is only partially concealed and you DO NOT have a concealed carry permit then it is considered concealed and you go to jail for carrying a concealed weapon. :dunno:
 
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Kaye said:
I love my baby Glock (27) and a lot of the folks at my favorite gunshop carry the baby. I've also got the 23, but it was still real bulky on me. The husband has a Sig 232 that's really nice and streamlined, but I just can't part with my Baby.:D
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What does hubby think of your baby? The grips are really short on those, and I'd wonder if a big handed person would like those short grips.
 
Frank Browne said:
I looked at a S&W .357 revolver at the range/gun store where I shoot. Tiny little thing it was, and only 12 ounces...12 ounces! Can you imagine firing a 12 oz .357?! The guy behind the counter said he managed to put 5 rounds through it, and his hand only stung for a little while. Actually, I'm thinking of buying a revolver myself. Not sure what yet, but definitely a .357 Magnum.
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Frank, I have a Ruger Service Six .357 and can carry it concealed during the winter but no way without a jacket.
How comfortable is your inside the belt holster? In the summer I carry my Astra .380 concealed with an ankle holster while in the winter I use a pancake holster.
I'd like to try an inside the belt holster but am unsure about comfort.
For the record, I do have one of those damn spare tires, well, actually a space saver spare :)
 
kevin47881 said:
Frank, I have a Ruger Service Six .357 and can carry it concealed during the winter but no way without a jacket.
How comfortable is your inside the belt holster? In the summer I carry my Astra .380 concealed with an ankle holster while in the winter I use a pancake holster.
I'd like to try an inside the belt holster but am unsure about comfort.
For the record, I do have one of those damn spare tires, well, actually a space saver spare :)
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hehe...me too. It's actually not bad. The slab sided 1911 style fits nicely in a Galco holster. Like I said, it's a tad on the heavy side, but easily concealable. A loose shirt over it and nobody can see it.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Doesn't Wal-Mart *sell* guns???
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They do. And if you buy one in the wal mart here, they will not even let you carry it out in the box. A manager must carry it out and escort you to the door. Strange!!
I'm not sure about other states, but here in NC, a CCW allows you to also purchase a handgun or long gun with not permit or waiting period. That in itself makes the CCW a good deal.
 
Bill M. said:
They do. And if you buy one in the wal mart here, they will not even let you carry it out in the box. A manager must carry it out and escort you to the door. Strange!!
I'm not sure about other states, but here in NC, a CCW allows you to also purchase a handgun or long gun with not permit or waiting period. That in itself makes the CCW a good deal.
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Not all of them. Walmart started pulling guns out of some of their stores. The local Walmart here no longer has them.
 
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