CO Detector

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I'm placing a small order for the plane today, the stupid dot thingy is due and I hate that thing...I just can't add it to the cart. Are there better options? I have a battery powered first alert that we used to use in the house, it has a screaching alarm, will it work? I don't want to use the cig lighter since my GPS goes there and I'd rather not suck more power from it. So.... What should I get???? Battery operated is preferable.
 
How come you dislike that dot thingy? Seems like a simple way to do it. No clue how effective or good it is though...
 
How come you dislike that dot thingy? Seems like a simple way to do it. No clue how effective or good it is though...

It falls off, and I keep replacing it and I have my doubts as to its accuracy. To be honest, I'd have to be about to pass out before I even noticed it. Seems like a screeching noise would be more effective. I try to tell my passengers to keep an eye on it for redundancy.
 
Try one of the aviation supply houses for detectors made for aircraft, they are expensive (duh). I went to one of the big box home supply places and bought a detector that displays the level on a little indicator and will beep (not scream) at a preset indication. However, what I have found is that when it gets really cold, it will beep a false reading, I can hear it beeping as I walk up to the plane on the ramp) at which point I need to disable it, which sorta defeats the purpose, since the cabin heat is on during winter flying when I need the indicator the most what with the heat on and the vents closed. I also have the dot, and expect it to finally turn brown-black as I am passing out from monoxide poisoning! YMMV
 
I'm placing a small order for the plane today, the stupid dot thingy is due and I hate that thing...I just can't add it to the cart. Are there better options? I have a battery powered first alert that we used to use in the house, it has a screaching alarm, will it work? I don't want to use the cig lighter since my GPS goes there and I'd rather not suck more power from it. So.... What should I get???? Battery operated is preferable.

The dot is fairly useless. Check out aeromedix.com. They sell a unit specifically designed for GA, battery operated, reads out in PPM, and beeps loud enough to hear in flight without creating it's own auditory annoyance emergency.

Paul
 
You may be able to find one of the commercial 3M units on ebay (boxy silver thing). They don't make them anymore but you can still get them calibrated/serviced. They can be outfitted with other detectors, ex-gas sulphur-dioxide and other industrial poisons, not so much ana aviation but an industrial safety product.
 
Bart, I've got the same feelings as you about the "dot" detector. Aside from the price, there's nothing I really like about it.

I've looked at this device before: http://www.indsci.com/T40/ . $200 is a lot for a single-function gizmo, but then again it could be a lifesaver, so maybe it's pretty cheap. The Aeromedix device is nearly that expensive, but this T40 has a couple extra features (peak/hold, calibration).

My only concern is the "periodic calibration" required. I'm not sure how critical that is, how much it would cost, or where I could go to do it. (I know I could buy a bottle of cal gas, but this device already seems like it's bordering on overkill, and that would put this solution over the top!)

One thing I wonder about is why this device "requires" calibration, but consumer-level models (like home CO detectors and the Aeromedix device) do not. Is the industrial unit just holding to a tighter tolerance? Do consumers just not realize that their device's calibration is drifting a little? How much is "a little"? Would I get similar performance over time from this T40 if I never calibrated it as I would from a consumer device that can't be re-calibrated? Or is there something about the T40 that makes it require calibration more frequently than the consumer devices for it to remain accurate?

I went through all this last year, and threw my hands up and bought "the dot". I just took my first cool weather flight of this season last weekend, and smelt exhaust odors in the cockpit, and started thinking about this T40 again....

PS: The FAA has a white paper on CO detection in GA aircraft. It's got more than you ever wanted to know, including some tables at the end with lists of different CO detectors available (as of 2009, anyway) and some of their specs. You can find it here: FAA CO report
 
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This month's issue of Aviation Consumer has a review if these devices and an excellent comparison.
 
This month's issue of Aviation Consumer has a review if these devices and an excellent comparison.
At the risk of sounding stupid, exactly which month is "this month"?

My most recent issue is the November one (which, according to my calendar, is "this month"), and I don't see any mention of CO detectors.
 
One thing I wonder about is why this device "requires" calibration, but consumer-level models (like home CO detectors and the Aeromedix device) do not. Is the industrial unit just holding to a tighter tolerance? Do consumers just not realize that their device's calibration is drifting a little?

The consumer devices have a finite lifespan, if you notice the 'pocket CO' unit from aeromedix states that its operating life is '1 year minimum'. Once it reaches that year, it doesn't have to perform to specs and is allowed to die any minute. The $125 you paid for it is gone in that moment.

Many commercial fire detection / sprinkler companies have a test-rig to check the calibration of fixed and portable detectors. They have calibration gases with 0ppm, 50ppm and 200ppm of CO (relevant OSHA levels) and a a little adaptor that floods the detector. They may not be able calibrate your particular unit, they can certainly check whether it still displays the relevant levels. Getting an actual calibration is $50 or so and you have to send it to the manufacturer.

The reason those industrial units have to be calibrated is because workmans comp insurance companies are involved. CO accidents are expensive, very expensive. Spending a couple of hundred per year to monitor a potentially exposed worker is pocket change.
 
I use a "death dot" in my airplane. I think it is adequate. My assumption is that most, if not all, CO leaks begin slowly, then grow over time. For instance, an exhaust crack starts small then grows into a larger crack. Hopefully, that gives me the opportunity to notice the dot discoloring before the leak becomes large enough to cause serious problems.
 
This month's issue of Aviation Consumer has a review if these devices and an excellent comparison.

"This month's issue" refers to the one currently sitting in the bathroom. It is actually the February 2011 issue. Sorry.

The review covers a range of detectors as well as a selection of death dots. At the very least it's interesting reading and a well designed study.
 
I use a "death dot" in my airplane. I think it is adequate. My assumption is that most, if not all, CO leaks begin slowly, then grow over time. For instance, an exhaust crack starts small then grows into a larger crack. Hopefully, that gives me the opportunity to notice the dot discoloring before the leak becomes large enough to cause serious problems.

The OSHA level for a 'shift length' exposure to CO is 50ppm. The 5 min level is 200ppm.

In Aviation consumers test, the dot detectors did work to change colors at levels of 200 to 400ppm.

Low level exposures (10-100ppm) have been shown to cause temporary neuropsychological impairment. It is similar to the effects of altitude related hypoxia.

This is the table from Wikipedia, I would rather quote a primary source but the numbers sound about right:

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35 ppm (0.0035%) Headache and dizziness within six to eight hours of constant exposure
100 ppm (0.01%) Slight headache in two to three hours
200 ppm (0.02%) Slight headache within two to three hours; loss of judgment
400 ppm (0.04%) Frontal headache within one to two hours
800 ppm (0.08%) Dizziness, nausea, and convulsions within 45 min; insensible within 2 hours
1,600 ppm (0.16%) Headache, tachycardia, dizziness, and nausea within 20 min; death in less than 2 hours
3,200 ppm (0.32%) Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes.
6,400 ppm (0.64%) Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.
12,800 ppm (1.28%) Unconsciousness after 2-3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes.
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The reasons not to use a 'death dot' are imho that:
- it won't detect the lower level exposures that are hazardous in an aviation context.
- it won't start to rattle and beep at the higher exposures that have the potential of killing you in an hour.
 
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