CO Banner tow pilot loses the stall-pickup, hit his own house!

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The plane was pulling a large advertising banner for GEICO just before it crashed, witnesses said.

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Veatch owns a home in Northglenn about a mile from the crash site, according to public records. The records also indicate -- and Veatch confirmed -- that he owned the house where he crashed, although he said he didn't realize it until someone asked him about it after the crash.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...-into-northglenn-house-catching-house-on-fire
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If you've ever seen how these guys do pickups, it's scary how they go nose high AoA toward full stall at the pickup. We can guess that in this case he didn't recover.

Lets guess that both homes are right next to the airport.
 
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mikea said:
If you've ever seen how these guys do pickups, it's scary how they go nose high toward full stall at the pickup. We can guess that in this case he didn't recover.

Lets guess that both homes are right next to the airport.
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I wonder if Geico is liable for the damage?
 
There is no airport in the vicinity of the house he hit and used to own. His current home is within a mile. If it were a failed pickup then he would/should have dropped long long before getting there. If he were following I25 from/to KEIK/Coors Field towing and had problems then he ended up about 1/2 block short of open space.

Weird that it was a home he used to own.
 
Is this a different banner tow airplane carrying an insurance company banner vs house in CO or a duplicate? The other one was supposedly a Farmers Insurance banner
 
JohnF said:
There is no airport in the vicinity of the house he hit and used to own. His current home is within a mile. If it were a failed pickup then he would/should have dropped long long before getting there. If he were following I25 from/to KEIK/Coors Field towing and had problems then he ended up about 1/2 block short of open space.

Weird that it was a home he used to own.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Maybe that is his ex's current home?
 
Sac Arrow said:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Maybe that is his ex's current home?
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Strange for sure....... Hit the house perfectly. trashed the house and plane and WALKED away.....

This guy is either damn lucky............. Or damn GOOD...:idea:
 
Sac Arrow said:
I wonder if Geico is liable for the damage?
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Problem would be if it was his own... I had two sons do a head on, on my own driveway some years back. Both were on my insurance policy. Insurance simply stated that you can not be liable to yourself... Out of luck for liability only insurance.
 
skidoo said:
Problem would be if it was his own... I had two sons do a head on, on my own driveway some years back. Both were on my insurance policy. Insurance simply stated that you can not be liable to yourself... Out of luck for liability only insurance.
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It was sort of a half serious question, but where I was going with it, is whether Geico liable for the damage by virtue of being the pilot's employer/contracting agent, not as an insurance company.
 
Sac Arrow said:
It was sort of a half serious question, but where I was going with it, is whether Geico liable for the damage by virtue of being the pilot's employer/contracting agent, not as an insurance company.
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I'm sure they can't. The contract probably excludes them from liability for the actions of the banner company. And Geico has MUCH better lawyers than the other guy. It would be like someone running off the road and hitting a billboard. The person currently advertising on that billboard has no liability there.

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Sac Arrow said:
It was sort of a half serious question, but where I was going with it, is whether Geico liable for the damage by virtue of being the pilot's employer/contracting agent, not as an insurance company.
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Obviously a joke on your part but after having dealt with this type of thing the answer is maybe but not likely(of course). If GEICO directly supervised the flight then they would be responsible.

One of the reasons to use a contractor in this situation is because an expert is being hired to supervise and execute the job and that expert assumes the responsibility for a safe operation. Of course a civil suit can still name them (GEICO) but they have a strong case for dismissal if they did not supervise operations and hired a competent third party to supervise and operate.
 
Nice comments on Jalopnik's site.

http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/pilo...ane-into-home-he-us-1572276514/+matthardigree

...Must have been a lack of air FLO over the wings

...lets hope the owners didn't go the 15-minute route for their home insurance.

....This guy was found running from the scene
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..."The nose is pointing down and eventually we see just black smoke, and my babysitter yells at us 'get in the car! Get in the car! Let's go!'" witness Somara Cesena said.

Cesena...Cessna... hmmmm

...Gives new meaning to Pawnee Parks Department.

...I hope he had insurance.
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Clark1961 said:
Obviously a joke on your part but after having dealt with this type of thing the answer is maybe but not likely(of course). If GEICO directly supervised the flight then they would be responsible.

One of the reasons to use a contractor in this situation is because an expert is being hired to supervise and execute the job and that expert assumes the responsibility for a safe operation. Of course a civil suit can still name them (GEICO) but they have a strong case for dismissal if they did not supervise operations and hired a competent third party to supervise and operate.
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Agreed, but were the stakes to be high enough, I'm sure they would be dragged in to a civil action as a PRP. I've seen it happen in other venues I deal with.
 
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