"Climb via" for SIDs coming in August

Since I don't fly SIDs, what was the previous phraseology used for those routes? Was it "cleared via the XXX departure" followed by specific altitude and speed restrictions given by the controller instead of the pilot simply reading the published route on their own?
 
Great, I've never liked climbing restrictions. I KNOW I can make the descent restrictions...I have to do math and stuff to figure out the climb ones.

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btw, thanks for the link.
 
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CJones said:
Since I don't fly SIDs, what was the previous phraseology used for those routes? Was it "cleared via the XXX departure" followed by specific altitude and speed restrictions given by the controller instead of the pilot simply reading the published route on their own?
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For SIDs, you flew the lateral nav via the SID ("cleared via the XYZ departure, ABC transition") but altitudes were explicitly assigned (", climb and maintain 4000"). Now, when cleared to "climb via" the SID, you're expected to comply with any and all intermediate and top altitudes of the SID, unless otherwise told by ATC ("climb via the xYZ departure, ABC transition, except cross HIJAK at 7000."). This is primarily for RNAV SIDs, which we don't usually fly as GA folks, but we do have some professional pilots in our midst, and I think these will filter down to us, so familiarity with expected procedures is good. I'd recommend the FAA video link--it covers some good scenarios, including what to do if you're vectored off the SID and then subsequently directed to fly direct to another waypoint further on down the SID and told to resume "climb via".
 
TangoWhiskey said:
For SIDs, you flew the lateral nav via the SID ("cleared via the XYZ departure, ABC transition") but altitudes were explicitly assigned (", climb and maintain 4000"). Now, when cleared to "climb via" the SID, you're expected to comply with any and all intermediate and top altitudes of the SID, unless otherwise told by ATC ("climb via the xYZ departure, ABC transition, except cross HIJAK at 7000."). This is primarily for RNAV SIDs, which we don't usually fly as GA folks, but we do have some professional pilots in our midst, and I think these will filter down to us, so familiarity with expected procedures is good. I'd recommend the FAA video link--it covers some good scenarios, including what to do if you're vectored off the SID and then subsequently directed to fly direct to another waypoint further on down the SID and told to resume "climb via".
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Thanks for the post. I fly STARS and SIDS all the time, but as you said, a non-turbofan will still be assigned altitudes by ATC. Sounds like just another tool in the box for ATC to manage airliners with less talk.
 
fly the approved procedure as published and if given further clearance then just fly the clearance. If in doubt just ask the controller.
 
What about he Rudy2 in KTEB?

Those altitudes are required and expected when assigned the SID. They never give the intermediate altitude in the clearance. My take was the only change is they will now say 'climb via the rudu2'.
 
Wow, just read the whole NBAA document. LOTS of potential to mess up with this one. In general I think SIDS and STARS are pretty handy tools, but on some of these you need to spend some time to find all the little details. Sometimes it's hard to find that time.

I wonder what percentage of pilots that are likely to get such a clearance are aware of this change?
 
Lance F said:
Wow, just read the whole NBAA document. LOTS of potential to mess up with this one. In general I think SIDS and STARS are pretty handy tools, but on some of these you need to spend some time to find all the little details. Sometimes it's hard to find that time.

I wonder what percentage of pilots that are likely to get such a clearance are aware of this change?
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I hope they do a better job actually flying the procedure than writing the document:

Hey NBAA: Its EDETH not EDITH!!!
 
Would like to watch the video tutorial on the FAA website but Flash is not available on iPad due to Apple's greed.
 
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