I am not sure I am understanding your first statement correctly. It reads like the same statement was made twice in a different order, so I can't follow. Either way, I agree with your last statement that its not DPE choice and needs to be part of the approved curriculum of a part 142. The main difference that I can tell between 61.183 & 61.64 (applicable to practical test in a sim) is 61.183 requires 142, & 61.64 requires 141 or 142. If I have it backwards, please correct me, but I agreed that the more restrictive 61.183 trumps 61.64 because it is more applicable to a flight instructor.
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I am not sure I am understanding your first statement correctly. It reads like the same statement was made twice in a different order, so I can't follow. Either way, I agree with your last statement that its not DPE choice and needs to be part of the approved curriculum of a part 142. The main difference that I can tell between 61.183 & 61.64 (applicable to practical test in a sim) is 61.183 requires 142, & 61.64 requires 141 or 142. If I have it backwards, please correct me, but I agreed that the more restrictive 61.183 trumps 61.64 because it is more applicable to a flight instructor.
MauleSkinner
Touchdown! Greaser!
61.183 is more restrictive in that it has to be a 142 program, but it doesn’t “trump” 61.64...both regs apply. One says you have to have a checkride that may be conducted in a sim if the proper conditions apply. The other outlines conditions under which you can do a checkride in a sim, but is broad enough to encompass all checkrides.
and since this whole “trumping” discussion started with a quote regarding a DPE’s choice in the matter, it seems to me that’s the thrust of the discussion, and in no way does 61.183 differ in that regard.
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denverpilot
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The DPE choice thing was me and only related to who’s PIC on a practical exam in an aircraft, and it was inaccurate for the requirements of a CFI ride.
Clip4
Final Approach
Either way, you are not going 141 and doing a CFI practical test with a simulator.
MauleSkinner
Touchdown! Greaser!
If that’s your argument, you should make it right away instead of posting vague ******** as a response to something entirely different.
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Clip4
Final Approach
It was better than your suggestion to attempt to convince a DPE to act as PIC on a test the FAA would have rejected.
MauleSkinner
Touchdown! Greaser!
Where did I do that? The statement I made (that you quoted) was that the DPE didn’t have the choice of giving the checkride in a sim.
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denverpilot
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I literally posted minutes before you attacked @MauleSkinner saying that was me and a mistake.
Still hung over from last night, or what? LOL.
Okay Everybody. I am extremely grateful for all the input. I found the answers I was looking for, thanks to all the knowledgeable comments. For the most part, I think everything was right on point to what I was asking. The way I read it, we all came to the same conclusion. We just arrived at the answer on different paths and have a slightly different viewpoint on certain "slang" words or phrases. Isn't that what makes a forum work?