Canadian private aircraft banned from US airspace

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On December 14th of last year the FAA issued a notam banning Canadian private aircraft from flying over US airspace.

I didn't hear anything about this story...was there a thread on here I missed?

FAA banned Canadian private planes from U.S. airspace for 1 month
Security decision meant planes travelling between Canadian destinations couldn't use U.S. airspace
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/pilots-banned-us-airspace-1.3456352
 
Clueless bureaucrats going overboard. Fortunately, the decision was rolled back.
 
Papieren, bitte
 
I live in a border state and we have a big airshow every year. A couple of guys flew in last year from Canada in WWI replicas and I was talking to them while we were waiting for the customs and border patrol people to come over (individually they are great by the way and feel hamstrung by the administration).

In any case I was joking with our Canadian friends that if they were from Mexico we would let them right in without checking anything but since they were from Canada we would have to completely tear their planes apart.:rofl::goofy:
 
DFH65 said:
In any case I was joking with our Canadian friends that if they were from Mexico we would let them right in without checking anything but since they were from Canada we would have to completely tear their planes apart.:rofl::goofy:
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That's right! :yesnod:
 
DFH65 said:
I live in a border state and we have a big airshow every year. A couple of guys flew in last year from Canada in WWI replicas and I was talking to them while we were waiting for the customs and border patrol people to come over (individually they are great by the way and feel hamstrung by the administration).

In any case I was joking with our Canadian friends that if they were from Mexico we would let them right in without checking anything but since they were from Canada we would have to completely tear their planes apart.:rofl::goofy:
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Would have also had an EBT card, WIC card, housing subsidy, health care voucher and a cell phone all ready to go.

In case they get in a tussle with those big evil sunglasses and badges, a free get out of jail card and the nonpublished numbers to CNN, ABC and NBC.
 
The things the drooling masses will let the government away with for "saftey" and "security". Sadly not many of them understand those two items, much like the Easter bunny and Santa, don't exist in the real world, you're just bending over and grabbing your ankles for the sake of it. Sad
 
I liked the "We will do to you, what you do to us part"

I'm all for it! If we are issuing asinine rules banning them then they should give us a taste back.


I'm still waiting for the day they will actually shoot someone down for crossing illegally. :rolleyes: The last guy flew all the way past St. Louis and only crashed because he ran out of fuel.
 
DFH65 said:
I live in a border state and we have a big airshow every year. A couple of guys flew in last year from Canada in WWI replicas and I was talking to them while we were waiting for the customs and border patrol people to come over (individually they are great by the way and feel hamstrung by the administration).
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Surprised that you were talking to them while awaiting US Customs. You are not supposed to open the door until they arrive. But in thinking about it, the warbirds might have been open cockpit. Individually, I would say the Customs officers vary greatly in their attitudes. Most are fine, some are not.
 
Everskyward said:
Surprised that you were talking to them while awaiting US Customs. You are not supposed to open the door until they arrive. But in thinking about it, the warbirds might have been open cockpit. Individually, I would say the Customs officers vary greatly in their attitudes. Most are fine, some are not.
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When I worked as an airport intern, I often had to run and get the international trash from the arriving overseas biz jets. The agents here would let us talk to the pilots as long as they didn't step off onto the ground. Sometimes they were also nice enough to let us take their extra boxed lunches. I think they understood that a cooked ham sandwich and chips don't pose a threat to our daily lives.

I have noticed in Canada we aren't allowed to talk to the inbound crew during a crew swap. A few times I got a understanding CATSA guy to escort me down, as long as he was present. That's one rule I've never understood. I'd rather get the low down from the horse's mouth and not a piece of paper.
 
ARFlyer said:
When I worked as an airport intern, I often had to run and get the international trash from the arriving overseas biz jets. The agents here would let us talk to the pilots as long as they didn't step off onto the ground. Sometimes they were also nice enough to let us take their extra boxed lunches. I think they understood that a cooked ham sandwich and chips don't pose a threat to our daily lives.

I have noticed in Canada we aren't allowed to talk to the inbound crew during a crew swap. A few times I got a understanding CATSA guy to escort me down, as long as he was present. That's one rule I've never understood. I'd rather get the low down from the horse's mouth and not a piece of paper.
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I have never tried to open the door until US Customs arrives since I was told not to do that. The international trash seems to have different rules depending on the location. We are allowed to throw away our own international trash at the home airport as long as it came from Canada and not some other country. I think there also a rule about catering being allowed to come into the US as long as it was prepared by a caterer and not bought at a grocery store. But much of that rule seems to be open to individual interpretation.

In Canada, we rarely get inspected and clear customs by phone.
 
Everskyward said:
Surprised that you were talking to them while awaiting US Customs. You are not supposed to open the door until they arrive. But in thinking about it, the warbirds might have been open cockpit. Individually, I would say the Customs officers vary greatly in their attitudes. Most are fine, some are not.
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There is nothing illegal about opening the door. You just cannot exit the airplane and step on to ground without border agent permission.

Customs officiers as a group are like all humans; most of them are great people just trying to do a good job, a few (very few in my experience) seem to feel they need to constantly remind what a powerful position they have over the rest of us. Unfortunately those are the ones we tend to remember and the stories we repeat.
 
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GRG55 said:
There is nothing illegal about opening the door. You just cannot exit the airplane and step on to ground without border agent permission.

Customs officiers as a group are like all humans; most of them are great people just trying to do a good job, a few (very few in my experience) seem to feel they need to constantly remind what a powerful position they have over the rest of us. Unfortunately those are the ones we tend to remember and the stories we repeat.
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We had one that understood that everyone was human. I had a pilot accidentally step on the ground when he tried to catch a falling trash bag for me. The agent turned around, after seeing what happened, and said something along the lines of "The pilots are still on the plane, correct?".
 
GRG55 said:
There is nothing illegal about opening the door. You just cannot exit the airplane and step on to ground without border agent permission.
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Interesting. I forgot who told me not to open the door but it was probably someone I worked with in the past. Anyway, not opening the door is not a big deal for us.
 
Everskyward said:
Interesting. I forgot who told me not to open the door but it was probably someone I worked with in the past. Anyway, not opening the door is not a big deal for us.
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It seems to vary depending on where you are. Our dispatch used to spell out the exact local procedures on the paperwork.
Some actually have you get off the airplane on your own and walk inside. PBI and MIA come to mind.
 
Everskyward said:
Interesting. I forgot who told me not to open the door but it was probably someone I worked with in the past. Anyway, not opening the door is not a big deal for us.
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If you have AC that runs on the ground :D

I had one of those less than pleasant border types at Spokane International after coming in from Canada last year. He made us wait 25 minutes in the airplane before he came out of the building, collected our passports and then gave us permission to disembark. We would have cooked if we had to keep the cabin door closed.
 
I was raised in Ohio. I remember the college days when we could still go to Canada to drink without even needing passports (drinking age was 19 up there), and the border crossing conversation wasn't much more involved than talking to someone at a toll booth on the turnpike.
 
Coloradokevin said:
I was raised in Ohio. I remember the college days when we could still go to Canada to drink without even needing passports (drinking age was 19 up there), and the border crossing conversation wasn't much more involved than talking to someone at a toll booth on the turnpike.
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They had a turnpike that crossed Lake Erie back then? :)
 
You talked to customs in the old days????
We just cut across the Jessop's pasture and made sure we closed the gate behind us so the cows didn't get out.
What with the dollar differential back then a night on the town was a lot cheaper in Canada.
 
When flying to AK. ,I was reminded not to step out of the plane ,untill customs came out to the aircraft. Can be a long painful wait ,if you had a long flight from Canada,and had a beverage or two during the flight.
 
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