Call for Price?????

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Some aircraft for sale ads really perplex me. Why for instance

1) Would someone not post photos of their plane

2) Would someone not post a photo of the panel if they have others of the exterior

3) Would someone not post the asking price of the plane as opposed to " Call for Price
 
I've never understood those either. My Aztec listing has detailed pictures, as well as price.
 
Some people aren't comfortable with technology... just getting an ad typed into the computer may be at the limit of their skill set, much less uploading digital images and attaching them to an ad.

As far as price... :dunno:
 
Owner or broker?

Some brokers do that to...

1) get you to call (pretty standard sales technique, car dealers do it...)
2) to prevent comparison shopping and try to drive a higher price (sell on features, not price.... See #1)
3) to keep people from going around the broker directly to the owner for fear of being cut out of the transaction,
4) because they are dishonest,
Or 5) because ther is a shortcoming to the plane.

The theory is to get you emotionally tied to the deal because it's more likely you'll go through with the deal once you get invested.
 
Owner or broker?

Some brokers do that to...

1) get you to call (pretty standard sales technique, car dealers do it...)
2) to prevent comparison shopping and try to drive a higher price (sell on features, not price.... See #1)
3) to keep people from going around the broker directly to the owner for fear of being cut out of the transaction,
4) because they are dishonest,
Or 5) because ther is a shortcoming to the plane.

The theory is to get you emotionally tied to the deal because it's more likely you'll go through with the deal once you get invested.

Re. 1) And a bad technique at that. It is why when car shopping on craigslist I put $1 or maybe $10 in the minimum amount to just go ahead and sort out the stuff that's going to waste my time. No price, I ain't calling and thanks to the craigslist minimum dollar amount search filter, I don't even have to look.


and add 6) Some short picture-less ads are free (Barnstormers) while you have to pay for the rest. Seller might just be testing the water.
 
Because it's junk. If only they will call, I'm sure I can get some bites. I'd hate to be selling my Malibu now because the prices are really low and there are some listed with "call for price"
 
I've been told that I could (somehow) obtain broker credentials, buy an airplane and stick a for sale sign on it, and price it high enough that it will not move fast.

Every time I fly it with someone, I could call it a sales demonstration and write it off. Eventually, if someone needs to have it at the advertised price, I sell.

I'm not sure this really works, but I've been told it does.
 
We've heard rumors that the previous owner of our aircraft was... um... a unique individual, and that most folks who dealt with him were usually annoyed by him. (He was a Marine and kept the ship spic and span, you all know the stereotype...)

My co-owners tell me that if it weren't for the broker, the guy would have completely busted the deal, and might have busted at least one prior offer.

So there's a use for brokers in the world. ;)

The broker I worked for in college calling unsuspecting aircraft owners and asking if they were interested in selling -- was a tool. He posted ads on the bulletin board at the local aviation college offering a reasonable but low price per hour doing airplane selling work (cold calls it turns out) and then supposedly a percentage of every sale. I took the job already having other jobs, but it fit into my schedule one semester.

I know I found him at least one aircraft and possibly two. I never saw a check. I quit after about a month after seeing him show up and offer someone $5000 less than he'd offered on the phone. Roughly 10% of the aircraft price for most aircraft he was dealing in, back in the early 90s.

He had an elaborate but predictable scheme where he'd draw the Cashier's check for a lower price and then five more in $1000 increments. He'd "inspect" the airplane going "hmmm" and "Ohhh" and then say he'd pay the lower amount.

Desperate owners would take it the check. Non-desperate owners would haggle and he'd slowly up the amount and then peel out the appropriate number of Cashier's checks from the wad in his shirt pocket without letting them be seen. All drawn on different banks so he could claim he "didn't have time" to have the money moved into one account. (But he did have time to run to all of those banks, curiously enough.)

He was a scumbag. A very charismatic used-car-salesman type scumbag, IMHO.

Then he'd tap the pool of aviation college students who had their Commercial ratings to ferry the hunk of junk to the next owner's import for inspections. Usually broke CFIs back then. Their pay was the flight time. If they had access to buddy passes from friends or family to get home, those kids got called first.

If he felt the discussions with an owner were going well enough that he'd get the aircraft, he'd immediately place a Trade-A-Plane ad, which back then didn't have photos and hadn't moved to the Internet yet. Cheap way to keep the grist mill running. Just a text ad on Yellow paper. I also remember him taking photos of one aircraft before he actually owned it to send to a prospective buyer. He was careful to get angles that made the N number hard or impossible to read.

I just Googled what I think his name was and found he's still around. I think. I won't name names, don't ask. Not because I wouldn't name the bastard if I knew it was him for certain, but because I'm not sure it's the same guy. Who knows.

They're out there. Just hoping for a sucker.
 
Some aircraft for sale ads really perplex me. Why for instance

1) Would someone not post photos of their plane

They haven't taken them yet, not sure if they want to sell the plane anyway in a down market. Or want to determine if a buyer is genuinely interested before sending out pix.

2) Would someone not post a photo of the panel if they have others of the exterior

They haven't ever sold an airplane or much anything else, and the thought didn't occur to them.

3) Would someone not post the asking price of the plane as opposed to " Call for Price

To generate calls. Nothing sinister about it, very few jets and turboprops are advertised with asking price listed. Get over it, if you don't like the ad don't call.
 
I just did this, emailed the site for a price. 2 days later he responded by letting me know the seller had pulled if off the market and that he should have pulled the ad. :mad2:

Thats 5 minutes I will never get back!
 
To generate calls. Nothing sinister about it, very few jets and turboprops are advertised with asking price listed. Get over it, if you don't like the ad don't call.

Not a matter of not liking it just don't understand why. My impression is that ads with prices would generate more serious traffic.
 
A friend of mine was shopping for a late model twin and there were few on the market and most were priced way over book. So he left several messages over months on one in Vegas with no return call. Sometimes the plane would disappear from Controller for a while and then reappear. We eventually concluded it was a terrorist communications tool ;)
 
Typically it's going to be a broker/dealer who doesn't want to waste his time with a tire kicker individual and is mostly advertising to other dealer/brokers who will be looking at features rather than $$$ and will call on the airplane, not on a price tag they are trying to match.

It's not about dishonesty, it's about not wasting time with people that will most likely do no more than waste time and effort. Most people aren't worth talking to, this eliminates a lot of them.
 
I'm in the show a price camp. Don't have time to call folks that don't have an asking price in my range or near Blue Book.
I've used a broker that saved me a lot of time and have found planes myself.

Best,

Dave
 
I'm in the show a price camp. Don't have time to call folks that don't have an asking price in my range or near Blue Book.
I've used a broker that saved me a lot of time and have found planes myself.

Best,

Dave

Yeah, it cuts both ways, although if you look through the adds, the ones from dealers and people who are in the business on a daily basis are the people who don't give prices in the paper. You think they might have a track record of what works for them.
 
Since we're on the topic of transactions....

How do you all feel about WTB* ads ?

(*Want to Buy).
 
Some aircraft for sale ads really perplex me. Why for instance

1) Would someone not post photos of their plane

2) Would someone not post a photo of the panel if they have others of the exterior

3) Would someone not post the asking price of the plane as opposed to " Call for Price

Any of those was pretty much an instant pass when we were looking. Who has time to dig out all that info?
 
Since we're on the topic of transactions....

How do you all feel about WTB* ads ?

(*Want to Buy).

They're fine, most airplanes that I personally know of for sale, aren't listed on the innarwebz anywhere. If I see a WTB ad that's relevant, I'll point someone in that direction.
 
Owner or broker?

Some brokers do that to...

4) because they are dishonest,
Or 5) because ther is a shortcoming to the plane.

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Now paging a Mr Barron Thomas.... Please pick up a customer service phone.... :idea::wink2::lol:
 
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