Buying a Plane to train in and keep

Discussion in 'Pilot Training' started by WimberleyTx, Nov 24, 2018.

  1. WimberleyTx

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    I have had the dream, I am sure like everyone on this forum, to one day buy an airplane and have the ability to go fly for fun, or business when necessary. I am finally at the point that I can make this dream a reality and I have decided to buy an airplane. I know I want a Cessna because I am so close to a couple of their authorized service centers. I plan on learning to fly at Redbird in San Marcos Texas which is only 35 min from my house and get my instrument rating as quickly as possible. The question I have is, is it a terrible idea to buy a 210 or Stationair and learn to fly the plane that I would ultimately want, or is it a better idea to start in a 172 then trade it or sell it to step up to a 210 or Stationair?
     
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    i will keep my comments to bare minimum since you chose the wrong wing design... but there is at least one member here i know who trained in a 210. i know a few that trained in a Bo and 1 i know trained in a 182 and few others in Dakota. so.. it might take a little more time than mastering the 172, but people have done it before and i am sure you can do it too.

    PS: i am a low wing guy, but 210 is a damn nice bird, or so @Sinistar claims :p
     
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    Thank you for the thoughs WannaFly! I like to be able to look down while flying.....soooo high wing airplane is the one for me.
     
  4. chemgeek

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    IMO there is no huge rush to buy a plane for PPL training, but there is great value in training IFR in the plane you plan to own. You will learn so much during PPL training your thoughts may change about what you want to own.

    I trained in rental Cessnas, flew a few other aircraft during training for the PPL and wound up buying a VFR time builder in an AA1A, a complete turnaround from my initial thoughts of a C172 or PA28. I traded up to an AA5 for IR training and have owned it ever since, as it fits my modest mission requirements and has low operating cost.

    Certainly a 210 would be a capable aircraft. Is it right for your future flying mission?
     
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    It’s a good idea.

    I’d research planes a good bit more, the service center isn’t a good buying point, the name on the door doesn’t mean anything, it all comes down to the person turning the wrench, I work on a relationship with a mechanic over a corporation.
     
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    I would complete the training in something cheap. 172 is relatively cheap to fly and will serve you well through your instrument training. Unless you have Lotto money to blow, it would be stupid IMO to buy bigger as all the costs get higher. Insurance, mx, fuel...
    Train in similar basic design (high wing vs low wing) and when you finish or run into a good deal then upgrade!
     
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    It's odd that people say that, ignoring that sometimes looking up is important. Oh well, high wing/low wing, number of wings, number of engines. All matters not in the long run.

    My advice is if you got the money, buy what you want and train in that. When I say "got the money" I include paying the insurance on it. Not sure what the premium on a student pilot 210 will be.

    Anyway, whatever you buy... look down, look up, look forward... don't rule out any directions.
     
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    I'm split - I say train in your own plane and save money, but I also say train in someone else's plane and let theirs take the abuse.

    Split the difference? Learn to fly, get through solo and start XCs and then buy? Of course if you try to do this, you'll wind up closing after your do your checkride.
     
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    I wouldn’t want to own the planes I learned how to land in. I had some rough ones!


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    I pretended the nosegear on the 172 I trained in initially was a shovel to dig up the front of the runway. I don’t know how I didn’t cave that in. Bigger planes aren’t designed for that kind of abuse- if I tried that in a 210 it would crunch!!
     
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    Nah. I always dreamed about toiling away my life, under appreciated and dying at my desk.

    But here I am stuck with a plane.

    If you have the cheese to feed a 210 then do it. Really nice flying, really capable plane.
     
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    There are absolutely good reasons to train IR in the plane you’ll fly after. Primary not as much and the initial landing training can be hard on the gear which the trainers are built for. I’d say at least solo in a trainer then switch if you can afford it.
     
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    ^^^^This ^^^^
     
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    If you’re thinking about a 210 do what everyone else ends up doing and just get the Bonanza.
     
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    Thank you guys! I am going to solo in a 172 and get comfortable in that, then move into a 210 for all the IR training. I found the 210 that I want tonight so I am going to start that process on Monday. I appreciate you each taking the time to give me your thoughts!
     
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    There are plenty of 210 owners and non owners on here that will let you know that you picked the wrong or right airplane. Make sure you get a thorough pre buy on your new Bo. I mean 210. ;)

    I did all of my primary training in low wing Sundowners and got my IR in the 210. Worked for me!

    Send pics of your plane so we can see how fast it will fly by the way it's painted.

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    Will do! My wife is dead set that I have to get the safest 210 I can find.....so a turbo prop Silver Eagle is in my near future.
     
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    My opinion, I can't find a reason to buy. I recently looked at a centurion share, then I found the rental cirri. I've got a Cherokee 6 I can rent to head east. And I've got 6 or 7 cirri I can rent to get over the mountains. If you've got 600k to drop on an airplane, I would wait to make sure you actually have somewhat of an idea what you want. A silver eagle is a nice bird for sure, but for the same money that puts you in sr22t g5 territory, or a Malibu. After flying a cirrus, I get it. My point is you don't know what you want right now. Rent, build some time, take some trips that fit whatever your normal trip will be in some rental birds. I'm doing my ir in a rental 6 pack w/ waas GPS. If I ever buy a plane, it will most likely be glass. But, its hard to know all the nuances until you've flown for a bit. Unless you have the cash to write the check several times over, I'd wait until you actually have a "need" (availability, limitation of the rental fleet etc) to buy. Ive only got a lowly 150 hrs ( IR checkride dec 18th) in my first year and I don't even know what I want. Jmo. Well, I may have been caught dry humping an sr22t ...
     
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    any issues with a medical?
     
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    An airplane tries to burn you alive (or dead) ONE time, and now you hate on it for life. Seems excessive. :D
     
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    My main reasons for wanting a Silver Eagle is that it can get me to the destinations that I want, with the power that I want, in an extremely stable and forgiving platform that can handle a significant load, as well as my wife and 3 kids. The goal will be get to destinations with one stop for food and a bathroom break. We will be using it to go from TX to SD as well as TX to FL and all over TX. I DO NOT know a lot about planes or aviation in general at this time but in the 30+ hours of research I have done it seems to be a reoccurring theme that the 210 is one of the most stable and reliable platforms available if you get a plane that was built after 1974. If my analysis is incorrect I would love to hear other options that are forgiving, go long distances, can handle heavy loads and are turbine powered for under 750k. I am going with a turbine because in my research turbine engines have significantly lower failure rate than a piston engine, quicker climb rate and very fast descents, with little or no risk of shock cooling, shorter take offs and landings etc etc.

    "The Federal Aviation Administration studies indicate that piston engines in aircraft have a failure rate, on average, of one per every 3,200 flight hours, while turbine engines have a failure rate of one per 375,000 flight hours. Accordingly, for every turbine engine experiencing a failure, 117 piston engines will have failed."

    Again, this is a safety thing for me and my family. I personally want to eliminate as much risk as possible (I am not in a hurry to die at the ripe age of 36) and will never be flying if there is any risk of inclement weather to get to my destination. I am blessed and have the ability to buy a plane without financing it. With that being said I totally understand your thought process on waiting to figure out what I really need. My goal is to get instrument rated and get at least a hundred hours in "my airplane" whatever that ends up being, before I choose to load my wife and kids in it.
     
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    Yes, yes it it..

    I love mine!
     
  23. Juliet Hotel

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    Is having insurance coverage on the plane a requirement for you? If so, you might want to make some phone calls before you write a check on that plane. Finding coverage for a turbo prop 210 with low time and no instrument ticket could be a challenge. And if you find a company willing to insure you in it, I suspect the rate won't be easy to swallow.
     
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    Penicillin. Should clear that right up.
     
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    Curious what you guesstimate insurance might be? OP is 36 YO and looking at sub 750k turbines so unsure what might might him balk? $25k annually until he's IR & what, 50 hrs in type? Just a WAG. . .
     
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    Huge
     
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    I think if he’s looking at a Silver Eagle turbo prop 210, the insurance rate won’t faze him much
     
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    [As an aside - this is the first "I trust turbine - singles more than piston - singles" discussion I've ever seen]
     
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    Splash tha cash brother. You don’t have to slum around in a rental 172 like us po folks.
     
  30. Juliet Hotel

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    ...If you can find a company that will write it.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Lloyds of London will insure anything for the right price.
     
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    You Cessna people must be bi-polar or sumthin'. Spend all your time on the ground looking up. No sooner get in the air and all you can obsess about is looking down at the ground. :rolleyes::D
     
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    I will own the plane outright without a bank note if that is going to help? I will call some brokers and figure out what it looks like.
     
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    Well there is nothing to look at but clouds or blue sky above the plane! :D
     
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    I am sure they will!
     
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    Rightttttt. o_O:)
     
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    I love Cessnas, but jeeeeeeezus they couldn’t have found someone with more than three firing brain cells to come up with a gear system? I think they might have been inventing jenkems while designing it.

    (can’t wait for all of PoA to delete their browsing history after googling jenkems)
     
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    If you own it, its up to you whether you insure it or not. My comment was if you intend to insure it and you intend to factor the cost of insurance into your overall cost model, you might want to find out now what kind of rate you'll be able to find because the rate could be significant if you can find a rate at all.
     
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    Nope, cuz they still gotta eat the cost if you ding it
     
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    One really good independant and local insurance broker to talk to is Chad Smolik, https://aviationinsuranceexperts.com/ (682) 583-0474
     
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