Beech Sport 411

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  1. Ventucky Red

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    Anyone have skivvy on the Beechacraft Sport B19? 1976 to be exact?

    My brief knowledge is they are a bit slow, have some costly gear maintenance issues, but other wise a solid plane... Any other reason why they are not as popular as the same year Piper or Cessna.

    Have a friend the just got his private and want to build time and get the IFR...
     
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    PM me Sport owner since 1996
     
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    Yup, slow. Most in the fleet are in need of new donuts (landing gear shock disks, very similar to Mooney). Super solid build, very roomy, and two doors!! Was partners on a sport before buying my sundowner.

    Wouldn't give up the shoulder room or pilot side door for anything. Just come to terms with being slow, and you'll be fine...
     
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    Plus one on beechaeroclub. I have a few hunnert hours in the baby beaches. Even own one. A sprout is a fine steed. Slow enough that you'll need a relief bottle, roomey enough to use it.


    Gear issues are really just rumors anymore. Most parts are easy to find or make. O320 is the weak point, if that tells you anything. Hang a bullet proof engine on a sihtbrickhouse... Expensive, fast, strong? Beech picked two of the three for the baby Beeches some say, and not the usual 3.

    They didn't sell very well because their marketing department didn't know how to sell to anyone other than ones with lots of disposable income. They couldn't sell Joe a bag of donuts. But they could sell the doctor the promise that he'll need a King Air just as soon as he needs an oil change in his Bo'.
     
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  6. Unit74

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    But I though owning a Beechcraft meant you were automatically considered fast?
     
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    I think @Eric Stoltz summed it up pretty good, fast is not part of the equation for the baby Beaches...:rolleyes:
     
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    There is a Sundowner in my hanger and it has not moved in 3 years. My MX took a gander when I said I might make the guy a low, low ball offer and make it my toy. He said as my MX, please do! But as your friend, don't. When he hand turned the prop, you could hear the squeek of the pistons moving. At least it is hangared, right?
     
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    It's good practice to not turn the prop if the engine has sat for an extended time. The cylinders will rust and the rings have a good chance of breaking as the rust is being scraped off the cylinder walls. It is possible to remove cylinders hone and re-ring the pistons. Just saying.
     
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    Yea, but if the jugs are orange, the possibility for the rest of the guts to be rusty is high. MMO and run it 10 hours are recheck? :popcorn:
     
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    That can be done, I would still feel better, bore scoping cylinders and most likely pulling them. It does not take that long, maybe a weekend.
     
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    How slow is slow in a baby Beech? Saw one yesterday rotting away on the ramp in KY, KSYM. :(
     
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    I would say a Sundowner cruses about 120kts, maybe 115kts
     
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    This one was a B19 Sport 150, last flew out of Lexington in 2015 (FlightAware) now appears to be deregistered. It showed 130 mph so looks like you're spot on. Still, that's 15-20 mph faster than my SloHawk by comparison.
     
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    I have a 1981 Sundowner and have not been able to bring myself to sell it even though I don't fly it much anymore and have moved on to another primary airplane. In my opinion, you should look for a Sundowner with the O360 180hp engine, or even better a Sierra with the 200hp IO360.

    This is a great airframe and yes, the large cabin and two doors will forever spoil you and permanently affect what you look for in future airplanes.

    Beech built a great entry level airplane but just didn't know what to do with it. That was just not in their area of marketing expertise, not to mention that Cessna and Piper got a big head start on them.
     
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    What would your "I don't want to sell it price?"
     
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    I'm doing gear donuts on the Sport this winter. Going to be a big job and not cheep. $1,000 per gear, but as far as I can tell from the logs it's the first time they will be changed. Plane is a 1974 so that's $66/year and I have owned it for 23 years. 1/2 its life..:)

    I'm guessing 1 gear per day. I'll pay myself a 6 pack at the end of the day for labor..;)
     
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    Well.....good point! It could be pried out of my hands!
     
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    By the way I think the Commander 114 is a sweet looking plane...:thumbsup::thumbsup: I would not mind owning one....;)
     
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    With the exception of the 160 HP O-320 engine, I have always thought that the Lycoming O-320 to be a bullet proof engine.... I know of a few Cherokees and 172 where the engines have been flown well beyond their TBO with minimal maintainence.. What am I missing here Eric?

    And, thanks for your earlier reply
     
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    Check you PM
     
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    I inquired about one recently and was struck at how bad the payload was. Comparatively made a Cherokee 140 seem like a 206. Did I come across an oddball or is this common? Something like 580lb, and with those big tanks sucking up over half of it...
     
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    @Ventucky Red i think that was Eric’s point. A compliment to the plane since the “bullet proof” engine is the weakest part.

    @Todd82 i don’t think many fill the tanks to preserve useful load. But it is a heavier airframe with the same 150 or 180 horse engine. Makes sense to me the useful load would be lower. I’ve seen a few sports for sale with the rear seats removed.
     
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    My Mooney uses the same rubber doughnuts and they're a hundred bucks each. About 300 a gear leg, thousand if I do them all.
     
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    Thanks. I was just a bit shocked to see something a good bit worse than a Cherokee 140 which is like the gold standard for "faux four seaters"
     
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    Thats a rog!!!!
     
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    Yah, Beech/Textron really does not want to support the older Musketeers. 8 donuts per leg, my price close to $1100 per gear. Glad for you that Mooney is a little more realistic on the price...