bah humbug cap rant

murphey

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Major Rant...feel free to ignore.

I have, in the past, been an advocate for civil air patrol under certain circumstances, and still am. But I'm fed up with the squadron to which I pay dues, and have paid dues for almost 15 years. Covid really changed everything. Once back to in-person meetings, turns out close to 80% new members and new leadership. Due to my teaching schedule, I can only make meetings during the summer (when class isn't over until 8 pm, and students still have questions, not possible to make a 7 pm meeting.)

I don't remember. Did I post this rant last summer or is this the first time?

My goal last summer (2024) was to get signed off for VFR pilot, which would qualify me to fly the cadet orientation rides. Early in the summer I sent an email to the 4 IP (instructor pilots) in the squadron. Dead silence. Ghosted. Ignored. Not even the courtesy of "sorry, busy".

Side note: For those who don't know (and probably don't care), CAP is organized into 9 regions, each region contains multiple wings (state level). I've been on Region staff for over 5 years but still need to belong to a squadron. Fine. Advantage of being Region - I know everyone.

So I called a flying friend who's also CAP IP in a different squadron and asked if he'd get me thru the VFR route. He said contact the appropriate person in my squadron.

Well duh...I did...to dead silence. What's your next suggestion?

What no one told me until late in the summer the pilot onboarding program changed drastically, there was a HUGE collection of very boring videos (will someone PLEASE teach people how to do video presentations? Even more, please teach people how to MAKE usable video presentations!!!!) I find the appropriate person and inquired as to the schedule to get signed off for VFR Pilot. He informs me, in public, that "you're on the bottom of the priority list because you don't participate".

I truly believe that my reaction was incredibly polite & considerate when I walked away when in reality I wanted to rip his balls off and stuff them down his throat. From the bottom.

By now the summer is over and I no longer have time to deal with people's power trips. 130 lower division students takes up all my time, so I didn't even get much of my own flying in the cherokee, altho I doubled what I flew last year.

2025. New year. Same plan as before. By now I've gone thru all the videos, I've been thru the required G1000 training (2 days in person and NOT thru this squadron) But this time I started in March. Found out who to contact (not the ballsy guy from last year).

Sent email March 4. Dead silence.
Finals, projects, grades, busy. Now we're at the beginning of May. Sent same email but to different person. Got a response, he'll put me on the list and assign a mentor (new CAP policy) but he'll be gone most of the summer so please copy X & Y along with mentor M.

Email to M. Dead silence.
Another email to M, X, & Y 2 weeks later. This time I got a response but gee, he's gone most of the summer too, let's get started after the first of August. Sorry, guys, but I'll be out of town then classes start and once again, an entire year will have passed with no success. Well, M will try to find someone to work with me sooner.
Another week has passed and once again, I've heard nothing from anyone.

Unfortunately, the other instructors that I've worked with in the past (in CAP but not this squadron) and were helping me, are not flying for medical reasons.

I have no wish to transfer to a cadet squadron. The kids are fun to work with on a short term basis but not as my permanent position. The other flying squadron is a hour's drive under the best of circumstances. There are pragmatic reasons for me to get the silly pilot qual for my work at the region level - not a political thing but a credibility issue. Yes, I've been a pilot for over 25 years and own an airplane, but that doesn't make me a CAP pilot. If nothing happens in the next couple weeks, I'll be forced to call on other outside CAP pilots and that will make squadron leadership very unhappy because people will ask why.

I'll make sure people ask why.

bah humbug.
 
I know very little about CAP... But can't you CC the Squadron Commander to the emails you're sending the instructor. Be sure to (politely) bring up to Instructor in the first email you do CC the Commander that this is the X time you've reached out.

If you still have no response from either, directly reach out to the Commander. Then reach out to the person above them. No "rant" with them :D just keep it about your getting the training you need/want.
 
Being an attached flyer in active duty was pain enough, I can’t imagine the dynamics in a volunteer organization.

I spent a few years as a cadet, did the Wing camps, ATCFC, and IACE but have refrained from getting involved again in a senior squadron around here due to these kinds of dynamics.

I will say I think the CAP regions are unnecessary layer of bureaucracy in today’s environment, but that structure probably has more to do with USAF billet allocations than effective spans of control.
 
Are there other public agencies that charge their members to participate? Paying dues and paying to fly CAP aircraft to meet their qualifications would be like volunteer firefighters paying to be on the department, or reserve LEOs having to pay for range or driver training.
 
Reading the thread title, I came here assuming this was a complaint about the AOPA caps they never seem to send out upon renewal.
The secret is to let your subscription expire, then wait for the renewal notice with the prize of your choice. I have received a few caps and a couple of headset bags that way.
 
Are there other public agencies that charge their members to participate? Paying dues and paying to fly CAP aircraft to meet their qualifications would be like volunteer firefighters paying to be on the department, or reserve LEOs having to pay for range or driver training.
Cost me substantially to be in the VFD back in the day.
 
Being an attached flyer in active duty was pain enough, I can’t imagine the dynamics in a volunteer organization.

I spent a few years as a cadet, did the Wing camps, ATCFC, and IACE but have refrained from getting involved again in a senior squadron around here due to these kinds of dynamics.

I will say I think the CAP regions are unnecessary layer of bureaucracy in today’s environment, but that structure probably has more to do with USAF billet allocations than effective spans of control.

What country did you go to? I got lucky and got to go to Australia. Spaatz #541.
 
Wikipedia (the font of all human knowledge) says they have gliders in their fleet. Sorry - that just seems to validate they’re more of a recreational flying club hiding behind a legitimate mission than anything else.
 
Are there other public agencies that charge their members to participate? Paying dues and paying to fly CAP aircraft to meet their qualifications would be like volunteer firefighters paying to be on the department, or reserve LEOs having to pay for range or driver training.
The Volunteer Fire Company my Dad joined bought all the building materials, and did the labor to build the fire house.
Dad did all the electrical wiring, including to the normal drivers house and telephone exchange, where the siren was normally turned on and off.
A prosperous business man bought the fire engine. It was second hand.
Only a few were allowed to drive the fire engine, after special training. My Dad was one of the drivers, as he was already licensed to drive large trucks commercially.
The members, not the public, paid operating and maintenance costs, so there was very little waste.
My Grandfather was an honorary member since he provided funds but was too old to be an active fire fighter.

There were about 40 members, and no one was willing to set the fees, and then collect it from homeowners.
The banker who held mortgages on many of the houses protected by the fire company made significant donations.

Small town economics. :)
 
I guess DOGE hasn't gotten around to CAP yet. Patience....
Actually, it has but not directly. Besides, it's such an infinitesimal line item on the USAF budget, no one notices. As of the beginning of the year, the glider program is shut down pending decision what to do. The gliders were primarily for the cadets, since they can get license at 14. USAF keeps CAP going because it & JROTC are considered the two best drive lanes for USAF (and space command). Get to a certain level in CAP, enlist, as soon as bootcamp is over, you're immediately E3 where everyone else is E2. If they go ROTC in college, again, bonus points. In Colorado, all high schools students are required to do some level of community service, CAP satisfies the requirement. Besides, no on else is allowed to stand along the flight line at the Academy during graduation when the Thunderbirds are flying past. Well, USAFA security of course, but it's the #1 perk of being a cadet in Colorado.

With cell phone forensics, drones and better radar, the original mission of CAP is in dire need of upheaval. I'm involved with one upheaval that's been in the works for the past 3 years, from the ground up, not being driven by NHQ. In fact NHQ isn't quite sure what to do about it, but it's moving fast and various groups within CAP are trying to 1) keep up (poorly) 2) figure out what it is and how they fit in (you're missing the boat, folks) and/or 3) hiding behind the tried & true "Emergency Services & Flying Club" banner. As I said, I need the CAP pilot signoff only for credibility, nothing else.
 
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… I'm involved with one upheaval that's been in the works for the past 3 years, from the ground up, not being driven by NHQ. In fact NHQ isn't quite sure what to do about it, …
I can see valid missions for the organization, but without a significant operational mindset change from the historical missions to present day gaps and needs, there ain’t no way to get there from here.

Wasn’t there at some point an emphasis to merge/re-org all Senior squadrons into Composite squadrons? I guess that didn’t work out the way it was expected.
 
I haven’t heard a single story from anyone I personally know who has been involved with them who has not been frustrated by the cliquish, Byzantine culture.
 
Wikipedia (the font of all human knowledge) says they have gliders in their fleet. Sorry - that just seems to validate they’re more of a recreational flying club hiding behind a legitimate mission than anything else.
Just like the US Air Force Academy.
 
Greenskeepers for USAF golf courses?

Truthfully, for school age kids, CAP and JROTC are both competing for the same kids. Just merge then reinvent hose programs. Leave collegiate ROTC or CAP for the HS grad and beyond. Let CAP be adults supporting local/state/fed emergency management programs using specialized programs and tech.

Like at many AFBs, let the minimum security fed prison camp trustees keep the grass green.
 
I was a mission pilot working on AOBD qualified in everything that state had before I moved to a new state about 7 years ago. I can't be bothered to deal with the flying or Emergency Services BS. I show up every two weeks, teach the cadets some aerospace stuff, maybe help out a little on building maintenance and go home. Probably doesn't help that it's an hour and a half drive and the weather where I live makes flying over in my plane a bit iffy as far as getting home goes.
 
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