Article about flight school in Richmond....

Great! Little red handle, Full-on glass cockpit, autopilot. They should be able to crank out plenty of flight-deck executives. Good old stick-n-rudder flying will be a thing of the past....
 
Just pull the red handle,and all will be OK. What a way to learn to fly.
 
“Why would you not fly an airplane with a parachute, if you can?” said Donald Allen, a student at Dominion Aviation.

At upward of $300 per hour, lessons in the Cirrus are not cheap, but Michel said many of his students come from the clientele who house their corporate jets in his hangar.

“It makes sense for a person who owns a $7 million or $8 million dollar corporate jet and wants to get their pilot license to do it in something that is state of the art,” Michel said.

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Well I could afford 300 an hour, but then I'd still be working at my PPL and be at about 30 hours! Maybe one day I'll be one of the owns a 7 or 8 million dollar jet crowd.
 
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wilkersk said:
Great! Little red handle, Full-on glass cockpit, autopilot. They should be able to crank out plenty of flight-deck executives. Good old stick-n-rudder flying will be a thing of the past....
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re. the little red handle, would you rather that in an emergency, during a training flight, that somebody die? How would that improve the state of stick and rudder flying?
 
NoHeat said:
re. the little red handle, would you rather that in an emergency, during a training flight, that somebody die? How would that improve the state of stick and rudder flying?
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It's a conspiracy to sell more Cirrus aircraft...

Think back on your flight training in the usual P & C trainers. When it came time for us to seek our first aircraft, we often look for what we know and are familiar with. Meaning frequently the first aircraft was Cessna or Piper manufacture.

If I got my license in an SR22, and got used to the performance the slick body and big engine bring... It would be a challenge to accept the smaller motor, parasitic rivet drag, and 110-115 knots of a C172 or PA28
 
This is a professional reach around piece of journalism.

$300/hour for a 12 year old Cirrus?
I would almost guarantee that Dominion doesn't own them.
The Donald Allen mentioned in the article used to own a King Air 350, pre recession, so the mighty have fallen down to us poor people levels.
 
There was a separate article in the Richmond paper, I think the link was on that page, that was a series of photos of a reporter going for an intro ride.
 
Somedudeintn said:
“Why would you not fly an airplane with a parachute, if you can?” said Donald Allen, a student at Dominion Aviation.

At upward of $300 per hour, lessons in the Cirrus are not cheap, but Michel said many of his students come from the clientele who house their corporate jets in his hangar.

“It makes sense for a person who owns a $7 million or $8 million dollar corporate jet and wants to get their pilot license to do it in something that is state of the art,” Michel said.

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Well I could afford 300 an hour, but then I'd still be working at my PPL and be at about 30 hours! Maybe one day I'll be one of the owns a 7 or 8 million dollar bet crowd.
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Oh great. Owners with pilot's licenses are some of the worst f*cking passengers on this earth.

"I received my PPL in an SR22 so I can pretty much tell you how to fly me around in my jet."
 
NoHeat said:
re. the little red handle, would you rather that in an emergency, during a training flight, that somebody die? How would that improve the state of stick and rudder flying?
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I'd rather them just fly the damn plane, these things don't exactly plummet out of the sky if the engine stops.


How many full engine failures have you had?
 
James331 said:
I'd rather them just fly the damn plane, these things don't exactly plummet out of the sky if the engine stops.

How many full engine failures have you had?
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It's just metal and wires.

If there's a higher chance of dying or being seriously injured trying to fly it to the ground (and there is, period), then I'm not going to disparage someone who just pulls the chute.

No one is waiting on the ground to give you a medal and a slap on the back for not pulling the chute.

I don't have a chute. I'd have no problems having one though.
 
Bonchie said:
It's just metal and wires.

If there's a higher chance of dying or being seriously injured trying to fly it to the ground (and there is, period), then I'm not going to disparage someone who just pulls the chute.

No one is waiting on the ground to give you a medal and a slap on the back for not pulling the chute.

I don't have a chute. I'd have no problems having one though.
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:rolleyes2:

There are times where a chute could help, sure, heck I flew with a back rig for years, I'm also a USPA sport jumper.

That said there are people who have died because they thought that red handles was the Jesus handle, there are times, believe it or not, where flying the airplane is safer.


I've said it before, the better condition the airplane ends up in, the better condition the pax end up in.

You have many options for a emergency landing, the BRS sometimes is the best option, some times it isnt.
 
James331 said:
:rolleyes2:

There are times where a chute could help, sure, heck I flew with a back rig for years, I'm also a USPA sport jumper.

That said there are people who have died because they thought that red handles was the Jesus handle, there are times, believe it or not, where flying the airplane is safer.
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There's been one fatality, ever, with a chute pull in a Cirrus. One.

You can argue the merits of airmanship, whatever, but it is a fact that it's much safer to simply pull the chute then attempt an off airport landing by the numbers, no matter how good of a pilot someone is.

I've said it before, the better condition the airplane ends up in, the better condition the pax end up in.

You have many options for a emergency landing, the BRS sometimes is the best option, some times it isnt.
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No, it's statistically pretty much always the best option from a pure survivability standpoint.

What you do is up to you, though. If you want to try to save the plane, go ahead.
 
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Bonchie said:
There's been one fatality, ever, with a chute pull in a Cirrus. One. ...
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Actually, out of the 67 activations, there have been 2 fatalities and at least 2 serious injuries from CAPS events where the chute was activated as designed; that is 1000' or higher and less than 200kias.

There have be quite a few more fatalities and serious injuries from activations outside the envelope.

The point is, the little red handle is not a substitute for good airmanship. The statistics only bear this out.

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wilkersk said:
Actually, out of the 67 activations, there have been 2 fatalities and at least 2 serious injuries from CAPS events where the chute was activated as designed; that is 1000' or higher and less than 200kias.

There have be quite a few more fatalities and serious injuries from activations outside the envelope.

The point is, the little red handle is not a substitute for good airmanship. The statistics only bear this out.

Cirrus Caps History
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And no one said otherwise.

Now go find the last 67 off airport landings and let me know how many died in them along with serious injuries. And how many people never get that far because of a stall, spin, or having no good landing options while trying to land it?

The fact is, when used within the designed limits (which should be assumed for any procedure, go try to land a Cherokee at 110 knots and see how it goes), CAPS has an excellent survival record.

And the fact that Cirrus fatalities plummeted when they started emphasizing CAPS deployment is yet another good sign for the people who fly them. I know we'd all like to think we are better then those rich guys flying Cirrus planes, but lots of great pilots end up dead.

There were only 3 fatalities total in Cirrus aircraft last year, out of a fleet of 6,000 flying planes. That's really, really good. So either Cirrus pilots have become really good airman lately or the CAPS is actually a very positive thing. Either one pushes back on the traditional narrative you hear on boards like this (and specifically the red board).
 
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