Air Marshal Takes Upskirt Cell phone photos

Wait a minute. Is one side of this debate actually this creep's right to record what's under a woman's skirt just because she's wearing one?

New low, POA. :rofl:
 
flyingron said:
In that particular statute, the Tennessee Court of Appeals (in the Gilliand case) has specifically stated that PLACE means the place the person is located, not some part of their body with respect to the "reasonable expectation of privacy" clause. Gilliand was another upskirt place, and the judge said the place was the mall, where there wasn't such an expectation, not "up the skirt."

Here's the decision: http://www.leagle.com/decision/In TNCO 20100618581

There might be some other law on the books that can be applied, but this one is not it.
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Wasn't aware of that ruling. Regretfully that is probably the precedent. I don't agree with the ruling, but nonetheless it is the precedent. That calls into doubt whether those specific charges would stick.
 
It is all cool they are on it. Skycops protecting women from skycops. Bin Laden you win again.

Pascarella says TSA is assisting with the investigation.

"TSA does not tolerate criminal behavior," Pascarella said.
 
Concorde said:
:needpics:
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OK, this should give you the idea:

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ClimbnSink said:
It is all cool they are on it. Skycops protecting women from skycops. Bin Laden you win again.

Pascarella says TSA is assisting with the investigation.

"TSA does not tolerate criminal behavior," Pascarella said.
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If they are going to live up to their claims, they should terminate his employment and aggressively prosecute him. He should be barred from law enforcement and other public service. He is yet another stain on the pathetic record of the TSA.
“TSA holds its employees to the highest ethical standards and expects all TSA employees to conduct themselves with integrity and professionalism. …

“All aspects of our workforce regimen — hiring, promotion, retention, training, proactive compliance inspections, investigations, and adjudications — are driven by adherence to the highest ethical standards. There is zero tolerance for misconduct in the workplace and TSA takes appropriate action when substantiated, including anything from a referral to law enforcement or termination of employment.”
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http://www.tsa.gov/press/news/2013/07/30/statement-response-gao-report-tsa-employee-conduct
 
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No Joy said:
If they are going to live up to their claims, they should terminate his employment and aggressively prosecute him. He should be barred from law enforcement and other public service. He is yet another stain on the pathetic record of the TSA.
http://www.tsa.gov/press/news/2013/07/30/statement-response-gao-report-tsa-employee-conduct
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Dont forget to add him to the "no fly" list.


Honestly these things are a waste of tax payer money, taking a up skirt case to court lol. What ever happened to just taking the losers camera and smashing him in the face with it a few times, sometimes a public azz kicking is the best way to educate these people.
 
ChitDisturber said:
What ever happened to just taking the losers camera and smashing him in the face with it a few times, sometimes a public azz kicking is the best way to educate these people.
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That's the kind of illegal methodology that law-enforcement has done to the law-abiding public.

This is supposed to be a country of fair laws and due process; though it falls short.

NYPD officer charged with multiple felonies for unlawful arrest of New York Times photographer
http://rt.com/usa/nypd-unlawful-arrest-photographer-075/

Officer Michael Ackermann, 30, was charged with tampering with public records, falsifying business records, official misconduct and making a false written statement, police told CBS New York. …

On August 4, 2012, Ackermann arrested 44-year-old Robert Stolarik, a New York Times photographer who was taking pictures of a police response to a fight in the Councourse neighborhood of the Bronx.

Police were arresting a teenage girl who was involved in the fight and asked Stolarik to stop taking photos. Stolarik identified himself as a Times journalist and continued snapping pictures. Suddenly another officer grabbed the camera and slammed it into his face, the photojournalist said at the time. He said he was assaulted, pushed forward and kicked in the back, which resulted in scrapes and bruises on his body and face. He was then handcuffed and thrown in jail, while his equipment - valued at $18,000 - was confiscated.
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Too bad those NYPD dudes weren't on their crotch rockets. Had they been, the photographer wouldn't have had a scratch.
 
No Joy said:
That's the kind of illegal methodology that law-enforcement has done to the law-abiding public.

This is supposed to be a country of fair laws and due process; though it falls short.

NYPD officer charged with multiple felonies for unlawful arrest of New York Times photographer
http://rt.com/usa/nypd-unlawful-arrest-photographer-075/
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Uhh, ummm, ok... You do see the diffrence between taking photos of cops at work and taking a photo looking up a womans skirt, right?!

Etherway, take a photo looking up my gf's skirt, anyone in my families' skirt you're going to loose your camera and get the crap kicked out of you, fair or not.
 
ChitDisturber said:
Etherway, take a photo looking up my gf's skirt, anyone in my families' skirt you're going to loose your camera and get the crap kicked out of you, fair or not.
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If you act out like that, then you should go jail and be barred from carrying firearms. You could use some psychiatric help. Judging by your username, you're a disturbed troll.
 
Henning said:
What's more appropriate to charge him with? Last I heard being a pervert wasn't illegal. He did not touch or otherwise assault any of these women, exactly what crime is he guilty of?
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Invasion of private(see)?
 
Captain said:
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There's a first. A NoJoy post I agree with. Go figure.
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It had to happen eventually. NoJoy is an enigma. He (she?) vacillates between a manifest obsession with uncovering misdeeds by police and public officials, and opposing a reduction in the scope of authority that police and public agencies have over the people.

It's a very peculiar combination. Most people who are obsessed with uncovering wrongdoing by government officials are Libertarians who favor less government. NoJoy delights in bringing example after example of police and government misconduct to our attention, and yet opposes suggestions that we get the police and the government out of various areas of our lives.

-Rich
 
RJM62 said:
It had to happen eventually. NoJoy is an enigma. He (she?) vacillates between a manifest obsession with uncovering misdeeds by police and public officials, and opposing a reduction in the scope of authority that police and public agencies have over the people.

It's a very peculiar combination. Most people who are obsessed with uncovering wrongdoing by government officials are Libertarians who favor less government. NoJoy delights in bringing example after example of police and government misconduct to our attention, and yet opposes suggestions that we get the police and the government out of various areas of our lives.

-Rich
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I would tend to disagree with some of your conclusions. LE performing their duty and being held to a high, if not higher standard of behavior in all ways is exactly what I expect of the government. The idea that the TSA can employ creepy azz perverts and get away with it, is abhorrent. That many of these cretins steal from travelers, lie about disputes and take any and all opportunity to behave offensively, while hiding behind the federal gov't is unacceptable.

Authority for leo has grown exponentially and become a private fiefdom where the truth is very often the first casualty.
 
No Joy said:
If you act out like that, then you should go jail and be barred from carrying firearms. You could use some psychiatric help. Judging by your username, you're a disturbed troll.
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I'd say that's a foreseeable outcome to taking photos up someones womans skirt.

What would you do, call the police and wait half a hour for them to show up only to write a report?

Tell the creepy peckerwood how his actions "make you feel"?

It's really a non issue, if you don't want to get your camera taken and beat on, simply don't take up-skirt photos :dunno:
 
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I'm surprised the passenger that took his phone didn't get charged with assaulting a leo. For anything else, illegal but non pervy, the passenger would be in a bucketload of trouble.
 
The passenger didn't knowingly assault an LEO. The FAM is undercover so from the pax perspective they were just catching another pax doing a creepy thing. No way is the pax getting busted here.
 
No Joy said:
Wasn't aware of that ruling. Regretfully that is probably the precedent. I don't agree with the ruling, but nonetheless it is the precedent. That calls into doubt whether those specific charges would stick.
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The ruling seems consistent with the wording of the law. IF the legislature wanted to ban shoving cameras into people's private parts, they should have written the law to say that. THis law clearly covers people taking pictures in places such as dressing rooms, bathrooms, locker rooms, etc...
 
Now, let me point out that this guy is being called creepy for taking pictures up womens' skirts. If he had been taking pictures up Scotsmans' kilts, THAT would have been creepy....
 
Sac Arrow said:
Now, let me point out that this guy is being called creepy for taking pictures up womens' skirts. If he had been taking pictures up Scotsmans' kilts, THAT would have been creepy....
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And if he'd been running a TSA strip-search machine, he would have been considered to be doing his job.
 
No Joy said:
This crook seems to have dropped off the media's radar. He was due in court a few days ago, but I don't see any new news about it. Being in law enforcement, I wouldn't be surprised if he got it thrown out. If not, he probably got a continuance.

Anyone know what's up with this crook?

Bartsch is due in court Nov. 14.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-accused-of-taking-pictures-up-womens-skirts/
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Not to get technical on you, but you mean perv. And not to get technically technical on you, but by definition he isn't actually a perv either.
 
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