ADS-B required under Class C outer layer?

The regulations do not prohibit flight without ADS-B Out under a Class C or Class B area (outside of Class C or B). The latter is most a technicality because the Mode C 30 NM veil covers most of Class B airspace and therefore it is what restricts flying under the vast majority of class B airspace. But if you look at the LAX Class B, just south of POM VORTAC, there is Class B airspace designated which is outside of the Mode C 30 NM veil. That airspace under the Class B but outside of the mode C veil may be flown under, but one must also either avoid the class C or under fly its outer shelf as well.

At one point a few years ago, I petitioned the FAA to permit flight inside the Mode C veil but under the Class B as that would make airports under the mode C veil and under the Class B accessible. My argument was that aircraft would still be required to have a mode C transponder in that airspace and the FAA already permitted aircraft without an electrical system to operate in that airspace. The FAA rejected my petition.
 
John Collins said:
At one point a few years ago, I petitioned the FAA to permit flight inside the Mode C veil but under the Class B as that would make airports under the mode C veil and under the Class B accessible. My argument was that aircraft would still be required to have a mode C transponder in that airspace and the FAA already permitted aircraft without an electrical system to operate in that airspace. The FAA rejected my petition.
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Well, if they didn't require ADS-B out to get to airports inside the 30nm ring of death, then the incentive to install ADS-B out would go way down and the avionics industry would not see their big windfall.
Plus, this would involve admitting that Mode-C gives controllers pretty much the same information as ADS-B and that ADS-B doesn't actually cure baldness or whiten your teeth.
 
BGF_Yankee said:
Are you required to phone ahead, similar to regs for other aircraft not equipped with a Mode C transponder currently in other places? Seriously curious. A similar conversation has been being had down at our local flight school.
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If you are normally equipped with Mode C, and it fails, you must call ahead. If you are not required to have mode C, J-3 cubs etc., then no, you don’t need to call.
 
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