ADS-B Rebate

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  1. Mtns2Skies

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    With the gov shutdown, should I wait to do the confirmation flight test required by the FAA to receive the ADS-B rebate until the government is back in business? If so, will my rebate period get extended to accommodate for this period of being shutdown?
     
  2. flyingcheesehead

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    IIRC, the flight test isn't one of the "timed" aspects of the rebate, right? You have something like 180 days from reservation to installation and 60 days after that to submit the paperwork I think. Pretty sure the flight test stuff is all automated, so I would think you could do it now without causing yourself any trouble.
     
  3. lancie00

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    I would do everything I can now and send the paperwork in via tracked mail/UPS/FedEx. Then at least the tracking number will show that you did what was required of you on time. I've never done it and I don't know if the flight stuff is automated but you should at least have a flight aware track that shows you did it on time.
     
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    There isn't anything physical to send in, it's all online.

    That said, should I be correct that the flight test portion is automated, you should be able to get all the "paper"work in even with the shutdown.
     
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    Also I don't believe flight aware tracks VFR flights even under flight following anymore.
     
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    If you have ADS-B, they track everything.
     
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    In conclusion if anyone else was wondering AOPA Live did confirm that, except for writing the check, no FAA personnel are involved with this process so deadlines are not affected.
     
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    Its all automated and online. READ the instructions both for the rebate and your transponder. I failed three times before I got it right. "Ruled airspace" doesn't mean in airspace controlled by an approach control.
     
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    Would you recommend me climbing above 10k, or doing the maneuvers in a Charlie? I have a very benign Class C near my that I could easily do it in. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated!
     
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    I've done a couple of these flights now, and passed the first time on both of them. They say you need to be in "rule airspace" but you do NOT. Or maybe you only need to be in it for a portion of the flight. Both of the ones I've done, I departed Waukesha, one of them returned to Waukesha (Mooney) and one went to Madison (Diamond).

    Have you seen the link with the flight requirements? I just put together a list of maneuvers that would meet all the requirements, went up and flew them, and that was that. There's some turns, climbs, descents, and I think I did need to climb to 7 or 8 thousand feet, but I didn't go to 10.
     
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    I did mine in Charlie. I had to be careful with the transponder. I have the Stratus ESG so yours may differ. First, don't hit "enter" after entering the code, Second taxi slow because the transponder will think that you're airborne. Third, after your thirty minutes are up (I flew 40 just to be sure) land and come to a complete stop until the transponder switches to "GND" mode and taxi back slow. I flew 1,000' above the pattern altitude in a racetrack pattern and the controllers (half of which I know) were very accommodating. Good luck and hope you get it on the first try.
     
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    The rebate people are busy at work as normal. I did my proving flight on 2JAN, and my rebate is in the mail.
     
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    Thanks for the info. Like I said, I've never done one but I figured there was something that had to be sent in.
     
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    I did my ADS-B flt this afternoon...passed and sent info off for rebate. I flew in 91.225 airspace above class c at GSO. Climbed to 5500; called approach and told them my plan...they were very nice and I maneuvered between 5500 and 6500 for 48 minutes. Several 360 turns to right and left, climbs, descents, crossed vor north to south, then east to west.Approach called out traffic a couple times during flight...very nice controller. I have GDL-82 that I installed in my C195 and a used GTX-327 transponder with Rami AV74 antenna.
     
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    One more thing..an earler post states that they track everything if you have ADS-B. My flight did not show up on flightaware. I do know that if you install a 1090ES transponder, Airen satellites will track you. A friend has a Stratus ES type in his Cherokee 180. Flightaware shows all his flight even during his track on the ground during touch and goes...
     
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    If you're using 978/UAT, you have the right equipment, and your installer set it up right, you can still squawk 1200 and have an "anonymous mode" that doesn't send out your tail number (or the Mode S code tied to it).
     
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    The anon mode is an option that I think is not necessary for me. I get flight following or file IFR most of the time. I installed the GDL-82. Another thing they do not tell you up front is that when it comes time for your vfr or ifr transponder check, the 1090es will cost you at least $100 more because a more expensive piece of test gear is required..
     
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    Thanks for the insight Doug! I'm also doing the GDL82 installing it today. I got the antenna installed last night.

    I think we all agree that we need to see pictures of your 195 :drool: beautiful planes!
     
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    When my ADS-B box was installed two years ago, they only counted time in "Rule Airspace", with one exception.

    For my first test flight I doodled around for about an hour near Kelso WA, in an area with radar coverage. I did all the recommended maneuvers. But I got a 'fail' because I was not in FAR 91.225 airspace long enough. It only credited me with eleven minutes, which was likely only the time I was below the floor of the PDX Class C in the process of departing from and returning to home base of KVUO.

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    A day or two later I went back up, and this time told ATC what I was doing, got flight following, and drew squiggles in the sky over the top of the Class C, which is "Rule Airspace". This time it passed.

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    On both trips, FAA's "Performance Monitor" credited the time I was below the Class C, which technically is not "Rule Airspace"; but none of my time outside the lateral limit of the Class C was counted.
     
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    I don't know what their standards actually are, but the first flight test I did was 2-3 years ago. I took off from a D, flew all the maneuvers outside "rule airspace", and then was in a C only long enough to land. All I did in rule airspace was a takeoff and a turn, and probably one more turn and a landing at the other end.
     
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    From what I have read, different parts of the country get different results. I think you will be safe to fly in "rule airspace" for at least 30 minutes. The original AC 20-165B originally stated "The flight may be accomplished in any airspace that has FAA ADS-B ground station coverage. " It also stated the flight had to be "at least one hour long. " That no longer seems to be the case. 30 minutes ( minimum ) in "rule airspace", at least 2500 AGL if above 10, 000 ft. I performed several 360 right and left standard rate turns, climbs and descents for more than one minute each, and crossed a VOR south to north and west to east. I am not sure everything that I performed is still required, but this was originally in the AC 20-165B . I flew for about 45 minutes by my watch and the report stated I flew 48:14 . At 15 gph, it doesn't take long to burn $100 avgas...I'm glad it is over !
     
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    Got my GDL82 installed and I did an instrument lesson in the local Class C which seems to have worked! It all checked out and I submitted everything the FAA wanted for the last steps of the rebate. Success!
     
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    Congrats to Mtns2Skies ! Yoo hoo!
     
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    Is there a hard calendar date for this round of rebates, or just the installation-to-test flight 60 day thing?

    Jim
     
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    You have a maximum of 60 days from signing up for the rebate to install the unit (date must be specified at time of rebate sign-up) and then a maximum of 60 days to fly to confirm your unit is working. If you specify the maximum of 60 days for the install you have 120 days to do the flight. IIRC Rebates are almost out.
     
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    Thanks, but that wasn't the question. Is there a date I can circle on the calendar that is the last date to apply?
    Jim
     
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    No - But it's first come first serve with a limited amount.
     
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    I sent the following email and just got this response when I inquired about my rebate:

    "Good day,
    I processed a rebate claim for Nxxxxx but I did not recieve a confirmation email. When I attemtped to validate the reservation number that I had, it now shows that a reservation does not exist.
    Am I correct to assume everything was proccessed correctly for the rebate?"

    RESPONSE -

    "Once the government opens, your claim will be reviewed and processed. Please allow 6-10 weeks after the government is opened for additional information.

    ADS-B Rebate Program Office,
    Federal Aviation Administration"
     
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    Thanks for asking this... I was planning on emailing them that exact question today.
     
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    I was wondering the exact same thing. Thanks, K9medic.

    I spoke with an inspector at the CLT FSDO on the phone last week...I have his direct phone number. He said the FAA inspectors were working, but not doing any certification of airmen or mechanics at this time. After March 31...all IA's will have expired licenses...still retain their A&P's, but not IA authority unless the FAA gets back on normal duty.
     
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    Got an updated email today. "Rebate approved, Please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery."
     
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    Same here...via email yesterday.
     
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    Ugh I'm still waiting on my email. I might send one to them asking about this.
     
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    How long ago was it that you did you validation flight?


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    Only 2 weeks ago.
     
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    That’s about when mine was.

    I flew the trip 1/18 and submitted 1/19.


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    I e-mailed the FAA's rebate help e-mail to see my status. Luckily I got a screen shot of when I did the final step confirming I did it correctly.
     
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    Woohoo! Got the email today.
     
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