500% late fee for Montana aircraft registration

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  1. ja_user

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    Send them 375 $1 Checks, take pictures of the checks first. Use different envelopes, send them on separate days with certified mail if you like.

    Or show up with pennies.

    Also consider including an invoice for your time, and multiple public record requests
     
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  2. PaulMillner

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    I guess you just have to file it... no requirement that you subsequently open that flight plan...

    Paul
     
  3. 5QK

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    I guess I feel like it goes along with all other deadlines in aviation. Your annual inspection goes out by a day, your airplane is not airworthy. Any of your currency requirements expire by a day, or even a minute, you cant fly legally. It's all a bunch of crap, but those are the rules. Yep, I hate em, but what are you gonna do?
     
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    Let me guess, they also sent you a notice to remind you it was due.
     
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    The FAA has provided for the procrastinators by having most expiration dates at the end of a month. If you are not smart enough to know you got the entire month an annual, flight review, or instrument currency expires to get it done, that is your fault.
     
  6. Heftiger

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    Pay with 375 $1 swipes of your credit card. The per transaction fees will eat up the late fee.
     
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    The second provision (flight plan) seems to me to be pretty clearly preempted. The first (pilot registration) could well be, too.
     
  8. Tom-D

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    I believe we have two issues running in this thread. one is an excessive tax. (500% fine) and the other is an over reach of federal law. (must file a Flight plan)

    I'd contact -> https://www.daines.senate.gov
    see what he has to say.
     
  9. Ventucky Red

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    Where I am at, if I use my credit card to pay auto/boat registrations and/or property tax there is a $3.00 service charge to me per transaction.. May not be a good idea o_O
     
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    Your Senator isn't going to do anything about state government operations.
     
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  11. Tom-D

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    I'd bet he would know who to talk to and what to say.
     
  12. Zeldman

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    Many companies now just pass the transaction fees on to the customer. Especially on a government transaction where a credit card is used. This is why I usually pay in cash, to not have to spend an extra 3%. And the tax office here retains the right to deny cash payments made with coins. Apparently they received a truck load of pennies from a citizen that thought he would ''teach'em a lesson'' by paying with pennies. :rofl:
     
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    The sad thing is by choosing to pass that cost onto the customer they agreed to pay a higher per transaction fee and exchange rate.
     
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    Cash is good - I stopped using my debit card quite a while back, except in my bank's ATMs. Have an AMEX used exckusivrly for online.

    And while they've established a policy not to accept coins - it isn't a right, though I imagine a judge would likely let it stand as reasonable. One dollar bills might be almost as much fun.
     
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    I recall a few years ago some of the credit card companies went after businesses who were setting minimum transaction amounts or trying to charge the fee onto the customer. Think gas stations saying $5 minimum for credit cards or bars saying $20 minimum tab to pay with credit. Apparently in their credit card agreement, the merchant agrees not to make the credit card price different from the cash price or set a minimum charge amount. Rumor has it that you can call the CC company and they will refund the amount on things like that.

    Now if only they would stand up to the government entities...
     
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    What happens if you don't pay the $375 or delay payment for a while?
     
  17. Kenny Phillips

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    If they overstep their bounds they might. One of our reps did so.
     
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    They confiscate the aircraft and crush it into a cube.

     
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    So is Montana a town in California?
     
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    I thought it was determined that states could not register aircraft because they are already registered by Federal law?

    When I bought my second airplane in 1987, it had an Arizona registration sticker on it. I could have sworn they were ordered to cease state registrations.. I guess those days are gone. My permanent address will always be in Texas, so they can keep their BS laws!