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If a plane is on a leaseback to a flight school/club and is due a 100hr inspection. Is the owner able to fly his plane past the 100hr and be grounded to any other operator?
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Scope is not the issue. If the plane had undergone a 100 hr inspection and not been found airworthy, the plane is not legal to fly. The issue is whether the plane needs a 100 hr inspection in order to fly, not for compensation or hire. Note that when the plane goes back into service, the time to next inspection is reduced by time over 100 hours between inspections. It is not clear what would happen after more than ten hours of non-covered use.No because, although the scope is the same a 100hr inspection does not equate to an annual inspection. For one thing, an IA is not required to sign off a 100 hr inspection.
If a plane is on a leaseback to a flight school/club and is due a 100hr inspection. Is the owner able to fly his plane past the 100hr and be grounded to any other operator?
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Yes the owner can continue to fly the aircraft until the next annual is due.If a plane is on a leaseback to a flight school/club and is due a 100hr inspection. Is the owner able to fly his plane past the 100hr and be grounded to any other operator?
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Don't forget 100 hour AD s.
If a plane is rented not for hire but within annual you gotta have em.
Which 100 ADs are you referring to?
Yes, you can exceed the 100 hour by any amount you choose when not for hire.
But there's a catch. Once you exceed the 10 hour over run, you cannot do a 100 hr and put it back to rent. Because the 100 hour is required by FAR, not to exceed 110 hours.
So the 100 hour will need to be signed as an annual to re-set the rental 100 hour clock.
Former Part 141 & 135 DOM.
Rental (without a pilot or flight instructor) is not "carrying passengers for hire." Strict rental does not require 100 hours.But there's a catch. Once you exceed the 10 hour over run, you cannot do a 100 hr and put it back to rent. Because the 100 hour is required by FAR, not to exceed 110 hours.
Rental (without a pilot or flight instructor) is not "carrying passengers for hire." Strict rental does not require 100 hours.
FAA case law confirms this, it's been discussed many times before, and many operators have been burned by thinking they can go to 111 hours and just do another 100 hour.
Right or wrong, there is a big hole in the reg because it doesn't specifically state you can or cannot reset the over-flown 100 hour clock.
So PMI's look at it as a violation, and they make it stick.
Do it at your own risk. At dozens of maintenance law seminars, everyone I talked to agreed you must do an annual to clear an over flight greater than 110 hours. Those folks included lawyers who defend those certificate actions, and the FAA people that bring them.
They all agreed if the next maintenance event had been signed as an annual, they would have no case.
Correct, but you cannot mix and match. Once past 110, you cannot go for hire until you annual the airplane, not simply do another 100 hour. There is no mechanism to reset the 100 hour clock other than an annual inspection. It's just a formality since it's the same scope and detail, but it is an important distinction. FAA case law confirms this, it's been discussed many times before, and many operators have been burned by thinking they can go to 111 hours and just do another 100 hour. The case law stems from Part 141 abuse of 91.405b resulting in violations, where they based their AIP on the manufacturer's maintenance manual, including the 50 and 100 hour inspections as part of their own AIP. Right or wrong, there is a big hole in the reg because it doesn't specifically state you can or cannot reset the over-flown 100 hour clock. So PMI's look at it as a violation, and they make it stick. Do it at your own risk. At dozens of maintenance law seminars, everyone I talked to agreed you must do an annual to clear an over flight greater than 110 hours. Those folks included lawyers who defend those certificate actions, and the FAA people that bring them. They all agreed if the next maintenance event had been signed as an annual, they would have no case.
Correct, but you cannot mix and match. Once past 110, you cannot go for hire until you annual the airplane, not simply do another 100 hour. There is no mechanism to reset the 100 hour clock other than an annual inspection. It's just a formality since it's the same scope and detail, but it is an important distinction. FAA case law confirms this, it's been discussed many times before, and many operators have been burned by thinking they can go to 111 hours and just do another 100 hour. The case law stems from Part 141 abuse of 91.405b resulting in violations, where they based their AIP on the manufacturer's maintenance manual, including the 50 and 100 hour inspections as part of their own AIP. Right or wrong, there is a big hole in the reg because it doesn't specifically state you can or cannot reset the over-flown 100 hour clock. So PMI's look at it as a violation, and they make it stick. Do it at your own risk. At dozens of maintenance law seminars, everyone I talked to agreed you must do an annual to clear an over flight greater than 110 hours. Those folks included lawyers who defend those certificate actions, and the FAA people that bring them. They all agreed if the next maintenance event had been signed as an annual, they would have no case.
Ok, you guys have me wondering something that I have always been confused on.
The plane is in a club. However, this club is not partial owners. The members pay a initiation fee and a monthly fee. They rent dry.
Does this then need a 100hr. There is no instruction done and all are PPL or greater renters. Unfortunately, the plane doesn't rent much maybe 2hrs a month if lucky.
So what are the rules now? Like I said, need a law degree to figure this out. Everyone has different opinions and seems to me, its all upon interpretation.
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Guys,
thanks for the advice, but where would I get definitive proof. It seems it is up to interpretation of the Regs. I ask because the school that I lease back to for the club says it does. They have a school and a club together. Does that make any difference?