1 month dry lease on a C172 or similar?

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I'm going to be doing some time-building in the spring to be able to reach the minimums for my commercial.

A C172 or Cherokee is the smallest thing I will fly (6'1" and 240lb) so instead of finding somewhere to rent a plane I was wondering if it's ever been done to lease an airplane from an owner who doesn't fly much or can go 1 month without flying in exchange for some $$$.

I would pay for the fuel+oil and get my own insurance, and the owner would still be responsible if something breaks (as long as it's not the pilots fault).

Is this unheard of or are there people out there willing to do it? Also, what kind of restrictions would I face from the FAA? 100 hour inspection etc???
 
Give us the area you are looking for the airplane. Look for aircraft for sale ,you may work out a deal ,waiting for the plane to sell.
 
frfly172 said:
Give us the area you are looking for the airplane. Look for aircraft for sale ,you may work out a deal ,waiting for the plane to sell.
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+1 To this idea. Recent hours on an aircraft HELP with the sale.

If you were in my area (Tennessee) I would consider it, pending a logbook review and a check ride with me and with a CFI of my choosing.

BTW, add the Socata Tampico (TB-9) to your list. I'm 6'1" and over 300 pounds. The plane is built for comfort, not for speed. It has gull wing doors that make it easy for you to get in and out. It is a great aircraft to build hours in. It is a low wing, 4 seat aircraft, but like a 172 and Cherokee it is really a 2+2. 105 knot cruise. 160 HP Lycoming O-320 with a fixed pitch prop. Fixed landing gear.

http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources/Aircraft-Ownership/Aircraft-Fact-Sheets/Socata-TB9.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCATA_TB_family

http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/air...le-engine-aircraft/socata-tampico-tb9-gt.html

-Jim
 
It doesn't have to be in Central Florida. I can fly anywhere (preferably within a 200-300nm radius) and just tie down the plane at an airport by where I live for the month I lease it. I'm pretty sure I could get a free tie down as long as I buy fuel there on an almost daily basis while I fly it.

Right now I have about 110 hours. About 100 in a C172, and the rest in a Comanche250 and a Piper Lance. By the time i'm ready to do this in the spring i'll have around 130-140 and my IR done. I'd probably find someone to do it with (safety pilot time) in order to reduce expenses even more.
 
Paging Dr. Henning... Dr. Henning to the "someone might pay money fly your 310" courtesy phone....
 
Not really interested in paying to build time in a multi at this point.

But who is Dr Henning?
 
Henning said:
Me, but the Dr part is a joke. Regardless, it wouldn't work out lol.
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None the less, the OP could benefit from your well developed tracts of....

I meant to say contact network....
 
On the typical dry lease you're going to cover the annuals and 100hrs, you wear the tires you replace them, etc

The lessor will cover Overhaul.

Best bet go search all the N numbers in your area on the FAA site and send out letters, ask around the airport etc.

There are some companies (one big one in OK) that lease out trainers, doubt they would be game for a one monther though.
 
It could be reduced to 2 weeks, I would just have to fly 6-7 hours a day to make it work, but still possible.
 
For giggles, what sort of $$/hr rate are you considering?
 
Well, I pay $58 per tach hour dry right now...so something lower then that :)

But the $58 per hour means I pay ONLY for fuel. So it can be arranged either way.

Think it's possible?
 
Well here ya go

They will probably want a minimum amount of hours a month and they might want more then a one month commitment.

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• Lease by the hour
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Awesome! I'm going to email them and see what they say.
 
jonnyjetprop said:
I'd ask these folks: http://vaaviation.com/

They may work with you.
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I rented from Van Anda before I bought. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary -- just a per-hour wet block rate that was about $95/hour for a 172. My experience with them was stellar though; I would definitely recommend talking to them to see what they may be willing to do.

Edit: Looks like their normal block time rate went up to $100/hour. Not bad considering my $95/hr was a few years ago.
 
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Just to reiterate...I pay $58 per tach hour dry for a C172. This comes out to $70-$80 per hour. Why would I go and pay $100 for the same type of airplane? I was hoping that if I purchased a 100 hour block I could save at least $5 per hour elsewhere.
 
mcoflyer said:
Just to reiterate...I pay $58 per tach hour dry for a C172. This comes out to $70-$80 per hour.
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I'd like to know you're fuel source to get a $80/hr wet rate on a 172. Or how you've been able to dial the power back and lean to get less than 5gph

hmmmm.....[nitpick=on]

172 is about 9gph. Call it 10gph for conservative and make math easy.

Fuel locally is about $5.00/gallon on SS.

So $50.00/hr is consumed in fuel.

Add that to your $58/hr dry.......[nitpick=off]

Why would I go and pay $100 for the same type of airplane? I was hoping that if I purchased a 100 hour block I could save at least $5 per hour elsewhere.
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:confused: If you're already getting less than $60/hr tach dry, then why not stick with that opportunity??
 
I know their rates. I suggested that they might be willing to give you a better rate based on what you were asking to do. I don't know if they would be willing to do it or not. It would be up to you to ask.


mcoflyer said:
Just to reiterate...I pay $58 per tach hour dry for a C172. This comes out to $70-$80 per hour. Why would I go and pay $100 for the same type of airplane? I was hoping that if I purchased a 100 hour block I could save at least $5 per hour elsewhere.
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The rate is $58 per tach hour dry.

I've been getting about 1.3 hours per each tach hour, so that comes to about $45 per hour.

Add fuel...

I've been paying $4.65 per gallon about 30 miles away. I lean the airplane correctly at either 4,500 or 5,500 and set the RPM at the bottom of the green arc around 2,150rpm. That gives me a fuel burn of around 6 gallons per hour.

$4.65 x 6 = $28

$45 per hour for the rental plus $28 for the fuel = $73 per hour.

Make sense?
 
I would agree that the rate I currently pay is pretty dang good, but it never hurts to ask around does it?
 
mcoflyer said:
I would agree that the rate I currently pay is pretty dang good, but it never hurts to ask around does it?
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No, but I doubt you'll do much better. Have you asked your current place if they'll give you a break and sole or priority access for a couple or three weeks with a guaranty of 100hrs?
 
Access to the aircraft is not a problem at all, I just go on aircraftclubs and book it when i need the plane. They're not flown that much, i'd say this plane (because it's only VFR) gets maybe 35-40 hours a month. It's a flying club, so you think they still might cut me a break if I tell them I want to take the plane for 2 weeks and put 100 hours on it?
 
mcoflyer said:
Access to the aircraft is not a problem at all, I just go on aircraftclubs and book it when i need the plane. They're not flown that much, i'd say this plane (because it's only VFR) gets maybe 35-40 hours a month. It's a flying club, so you think they still might cut me a break if I tell them I want to take the plane for 2 weeks and put 100 hours on it?
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Only one way to find out...:dunno: I give it a 50/50 chance. It's already a damned good price, but if you lay $5k on the table and say "How about this for 100 hours over the next few weeks?", I'll bet it would be hard for them to say no.
 
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