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SoloEqs said:
Then don't.

It's not worth arguing about. I was there, I know what I found (I'm one of the best in the world at what I do), I know what's there and where it goes. My life doesn't depend on your belief.
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Nor mine, cupcake.

You made the claim and I even said you don't have to back it up with evidence, you could frankly have accepted that. Instead you get personal.

Nobody here knows what you do, so that statement is a non-sequitur. For all we know you were out there with a JP-4 divining rod.

So if you found this leaky pipeline, know who owns it, and proved it's full of fuel... why haven't you fixed it or gotten the press involved? It ain't going to fix itself.

Sounds like something good for California government to spend some bucks on instead of stupid stuff. They love that kind of thing. If one of the pipelines I worked on out there sprung a leak, you'd have thought the world was going to come to an end by the 5 o'clock news.

And yet when two guys were killed working on one and properly maintaining it, nary a peep on the news.

With the propensity for total overreaction by locals there to anything even that smells of environmental damage, and the love the politicians have of getting on camera saying they're fixing it... Either you found something that professional pipeline folks showed some pretty good evidence that it wasn't a serious concern, or you haven't told anybody in political office about.

It'd be "pipeline-a-geddon! The pipeline is coming to eat your babies!" on the 5 o'clock if you had contacted the press. LOL

Been there, done that.
 
Pipelines all over. What do you think delivers the natural gas to your house? :D
 
denverpilot said:
A big truck fills the propane tank the day after I call. :) :) :)
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One of the selling points when I bought my lot was that it was in a neighborhood that had natural gas so I wouldn't need to deal with propane. :)
 
Everskyward said:
One of the selling points when I bought my lot was that it was in a neighborhood that had natural gas so I wouldn't need to deal with propane. :)
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City slicker! Heh heh. :)

I suspect you're on well water over there, so you can't be all bad! ;)

Speaking of that... You looked into having your well adjudicated so you own rights to the three usable aquifers below your land and not just an unregulated well into the Denver aquifer? It's about $400 to have an attorney do it West of the water district boundary and $150 to do it on the East side in the Kiowa basin. Cheap insurance if you ever have to re-drill.

Getting down to the Arapahoe aquifer isn't cheap but at least you could go that far if Denver ever had problems in your area without a need for any paperwork once you have filed for the water rights.

Plus if you can get neighbors to do it within a circle that all pieces of property touch, it can be filed as a single well-field and you could join forces and build a deep well and surface piping system to provide everyone water from a single wellhead once you all own your water rights, if push came to shove.

Whole neighborhoods have done one massive filing together in a few subdivisions. Holds a lot of clout in water court if cities or others start pumping too much out of Arapahoe. (Denver typically isn't tapped for municipal water supplies since it can't handle high flow rates.) Limits their ability to pump because X number of acre-feet are already accounted for.

I can show ya some documentation on it if you're bored.
 
denverpilot said:
City slicker! Heh heh. :)

I suspect you're on well water over there, so you can't be all bad! ;)

Speaking of that... You looked into having your well adjudicated so you own rights to the three usable aquifers below your land and not just an unregulated well into the Denver aquifer? It's about $400 to have an attorney do it West of the water district boundary and $150 to do it on the East side in the Kiowa basin. Cheap insurance if you ever have to re-drill.

Getting down to the Arapahoe aquifer isn't cheap but at least you could go that far if Denver ever had problems in your area without a need for any paperwork once you have filed for the water rights.

Plus if you can get neighbors to do it within a circle that all pieces of property touch, it can be filed as a single well-field and you could join forces and build a deep well and surface piping system to provide everyone water from a single wellhead once you all own your water rights, if push came to shove.

Whole neighborhoods have done one massive filing together in a few subdivisions. Holds a lot of clout in water court if cities or others start pumping too much out of Arapahoe. (Denver typically isn't tapped for municipal water supplies since it can't handle high flow rates.) Limits their ability to pump because X number of acre-feet are already accounted for.

I can show ya some documentation on it if you're bored.
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Not only am I a city slicker but I'm not a survivalist either, or worried about water rights. :D

I can just see me trying to convince my neighbors of this. :rofl:

In any case I don't expect to be here forever, but I said that 10 years ago. :redface:
 
Everskyward said:
Not only am I a city slicker but I'm not a survivalist either, or worried about water rights. :D

I can just see me trying to convince my neighbors of this. :rofl:

In any case I don't expect to be here forever, but I said that 10 years ago. :redface:
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Heh. Me neither. Has more to do with property value than that. It's transferable with the land.

Probably won't matter in my lifetime since Denver aquifer will probably make it that long.

Mostly useful if you have to re-drill and miss, or if something taints the aquifer. Or if the State decided to change the number of years they calculate the useful lifespan of the aquifer against for new permits. Your existing (likely) exempt permit may not allow re-drilling in the future.

Inside of our lifetimes the most likely threat is a law change, making a new hole in the ground hideously expensive.

Neighbor out here had to re-drill. $10K to Denver. He lost his exempt well status and now has a meter and a limit on pumping per his new permit.

It'd be more useful if the property was staying in the family for generations really.

Like I said ... Only if you're bored. Ha. It's dry stuff. Ironically ? ;)
 
ClimbnSink said:
Wait you get meters on backyard wells?
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If your permit requires them. Most existing wells are unregulated. If you go to water court or the State and get the water itself adjudicated at the amount an unregulated well is allowed to pump, that water is yours forever. No meter. You apply for a new well, you might have a meter.

Frankly no one with a meter has ever mentioned anyone coming to check it. It's there for the guy who decides to irrigate crops on a residential permit and abuse the permit.

But yeah, water is a big deal here. My county/Mari's county during all those floods you saw on the news? We got a " record setting " 7 inches of rain. :)
 
denverpilot said:
Nor mine, cupcake.

You made the claim and I even said you don't have to back it up with evidence, you could frankly have accepted that. Instead you get personal.
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Sorry, you're right and you didn't deserve the response I gave.

A friend of mine is from Tacloban, and after several days of worrying she saw her mother on TV news. Just her mother, not any of the rest of the family. We have since found out that everyone survived, but they are in a tent, lost all belongings and are very short on water and food. We're working on a fundraising to get money to send them supplies and get them out of the mess (you're invited to donate to Lorna Wood, PO Box 177, Oregon House, CA 95962).

There's not much more that I can do, so I've been stressed and irritable. I'm coming here to try to get away from stress.

Given the above, when people started saying that what I saw couldn't be true, I didn't bother to take time to discuss it.

I can't think of any way to prove it to you, because information about pipelines is proprietary, and DOD pipeline info is close-held.

The state knows about it, the counties know about it, and other pipeline operators know about it. The lines all show for the Blue Stake guys. That's got the safety stuff pretty much covered. The amount of leakage is very minor (and most pipelines leak, which is why the Feds require periodic inspections in the first place), so there is no unusual risk.

Getting back to the original point, it makes no sense to condemn Texas for fertilizer plants when California lets people built homes across the street from refineries and on top of pipelines. To be fair, all states do, but this is a far higher risk than fertilizer plants and we take them for granted.
 
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Maxmosbey said:
I've never lived in either New York or California, so I don't know which would be the better place to live. But I visit both a couple times a year, and I'll take California over New York any time. I love going out to California. I try to take each person individually, so I'm not going to say that one is better than the other, but I find more interesting and fun people in California than anywhere else.
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Spent considerable time in both. Cal has the better weather. NY has the best rural areas, by FAR. I love upstaters in NY. They are about as normal as you can get, anywhere.
I n California, you go from nice to desert and in the south, the air is horrible, Dirty and dusty and stinks. Almost as bad as Newark.
 
Florida Cracker said:
Spent considerable time in both. Cal has the better weather. NY has the best rural areas, by FAR.
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I'm pretty partial to the rural areas of my state. Forests, rivers aplenty, mountain ranges, deserts, lakes, sand, snow, and incredible amout of biodiversity. Just about everything I could want. What is it about rural New York that makes it superior in your opinion? I've never been there and I'm curios.
 
Florida Cracker said:
Spent considerable time in both. Cal has the better weather. NY has the best rural areas, by FAR. I love upstaters in NY. They are about as normal as you can get, anywhere.
I n California, you go from nice to desert and in the south, the air is horrible, Dirty and dusty and stinks. Almost as bad as Newark.
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Wow, you spent considerable time in California and that is all you managed to see? We have a beautiful coastline, spectacular mountains and forests and the air only tends to be bad in urban areas (last I checked, NY had some urban smog, too). Obviously you haven't visited Yosemite, Santa Barbara, Napa, Mendocino and many, many other locations throughout the state. What, did you do, sit in a hotel room in L.A. and then drive out to Palm Springs for a weekend?
 
John221us said:
Wow, you spent considerable time in California and that is all you managed to see? We have a beautiful coastline, spectacular mountains and forests and the air only tends to be bad in urban areas (last I checked, NY had some urban smog, too). Obviously you haven't visited Yosemite, Santa Barbara, Napa, Mendocino and many, many other locations throughout the state. What, did you do, sit in a hotel room in L.A. and then drive out to Palm Springs for a weekend?
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Gotta say, many reasons why I am glad I moved home from California, but a shortage of stunning scenery was not one of them.

In fact, that's something I do miss- the remarkable variety of geographic features within a close proximity.
 
I think CA is mostly ugly. Sierras are pretty. Everything else has too much brown. Perhaps I am biased living most of my life whereif you don't murder plants on a regular basis they will strangle you and everything you have.
 
SoloEqs said:
Sorry, you're right and you didn't deserve the response I gave.

A friend of mine is from Tacloban, and after several days of worrying she saw her mother on TV news. Just her mother, not any of the rest of the family. We have since found out that everyone survived, but they are in a tent, lost all belongings and are very short on water and food. We're working on a fundraising to get money to send them supplies and get them out of the mess (you're invited to donate to Lorna Wood, PO Box 177, Oregon House, CA 95962).

There's not much more that I can do, so I've been stressed and irritable. I'm coming here to try to get away from stress.

Given the above, when people started saying that what I saw couldn't be true, I didn't bother to take time to discuss it.

I can't think of any way to prove it to you, because information about pipelines is proprietary, and DOD pipeline info is close-held.

The state knows about it, the counties know about it, and other pipeline operators know about it. The lines all show for the Blue Stake guys. That's got the safety stuff pretty much covered. The amount of leakage is very minor (and most pipelines leak, which is why the Feds require periodic inspections in the first place), so there is no unusual risk.

Getting back to the original point, it makes no sense to condemn Texas for fertilizer plants when California lets people built homes across the street from refineries and on top of pipelines. To be fair, all states do, but this is a far higher risk than fertilizer plants and we take them for granted.
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Sorry about the family situation. Bad stuff.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they don't have to play by the same rules everybody else does.

DoD could maybe hold a garage sale and use the proceeds to clean it up:

http://gizmodo.com/pentagon-super-hoarders-waste-billions-buying-stuff-the-1466766317

:)
 
ClimbnSink said:
I think CA is mostly ugly. Sierras are pretty. Everything else has too much brown. Perhaps I am biased living most of my life whereif you don't murder plants on a regular basis they will strangle you and everything you have.
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You really ought to buy a new encyclopedia. One with color pictures. :rolleyes:
 
Founded to visit someplace that has water. Been all over CA it is brown and ugly, except for the little patches of grass that get watered every night.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Founded to visit someplace that has water. Been all over CA it is brown and ugly, except for the little patches of grass that get watered every night.
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I am not sure why I care (maybe some else may want to visit, CA sometime

Half Moon Bay (Maverick's Beach)

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Lake Shasta

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Mendocino coast

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Half Moon Bay harbor

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Shelter Cove

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Lake Tahoe

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John221us said:
Wow, you spent considerable time in California and that is all you managed to see? We have a beautiful coastline, spectacular mountains and forests and the air only tends to be bad in urban areas (last I checked, NY had some urban smog, too). Obviously you haven't visited Yosemite, Santa Barbara, Napa, Mendocino and many, many other locations throughout the state. What, did you do, sit in a hotel room in L.A. and then drive out to Palm Springs for a weekend?
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John, I just made the trip, as soon as we dropped into the Centrail valley of Ca. my eyes started to burn, and didn't stop until we were east of Pioneer Ca. at 8700'

Lake Shasta is nearly dry. and vis was horrible. and you could smell the Stock yards of Sacramento from 40 miles out.

Yes it is a beautiful place, in places.
 

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