Martymccasland
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M.McCasland
I'm planning a trip into NYC this week. My last leg before landing White Plains (KHPN) will be Greater Cumberland Regional, Cumberland, MD (KCBE).
My Q: Is there any educated guess of what routing I will get in the NYC area to White Plains?
What I've done/read:
1) Preferred routes... However, they are J-Routes, pretty much way up to the NW of the area, then down - way out of the way, and far higher than I can fly in a 140knot single.
2) Foreflight suggested airways... It takes me right through the heart of the NYC airspace (...Trenton/TTN - V214 - METRO - V433 - TICKL -V123 - LGA - FAMMA - KHPN). Is such a routing right through the heart of the airspace realistic? Doesn't look it to me.
3) DUATs filing. I tried a trick I've used successfully in other busy airspaces: file direct via DUATS, then look up what the FAA computers change the direct routing to (by looking it up in FlightAware, FltPlan, etc...). It usually adds arrivals, transitions, etc... 90% of the time when I call C/D, I already have the routing they read off. So I filed a direct plan to see what it would get changed to... However, I get something strange for the cleared routing: "KCBE - HPN - KHPN" (not a typo / plan to hold over the airport ??? / theres no HPN VOR). I'm 99% sure such a route won't happen.
4) STARs. NOBBI doesn't look like it is suited for traffic except from the N, NW. Ditto for VALRE. The other STARS are for high and fast traffic.
So, any ideas what to expect so I can read-up and reasonably expect for the route of flight?
Many thanks in advance.
My Q: Is there any educated guess of what routing I will get in the NYC area to White Plains?
What I've done/read:
1) Preferred routes... However, they are J-Routes, pretty much way up to the NW of the area, then down - way out of the way, and far higher than I can fly in a 140knot single.
2) Foreflight suggested airways... It takes me right through the heart of the NYC airspace (...Trenton/TTN - V214 - METRO - V433 - TICKL -V123 - LGA - FAMMA - KHPN). Is such a routing right through the heart of the airspace realistic? Doesn't look it to me.
3) DUATs filing. I tried a trick I've used successfully in other busy airspaces: file direct via DUATS, then look up what the FAA computers change the direct routing to (by looking it up in FlightAware, FltPlan, etc...). It usually adds arrivals, transitions, etc... 90% of the time when I call C/D, I already have the routing they read off. So I filed a direct plan to see what it would get changed to... However, I get something strange for the cleared routing: "KCBE - HPN - KHPN" (not a typo / plan to hold over the airport ??? / theres no HPN VOR). I'm 99% sure such a route won't happen.
4) STARs. NOBBI doesn't look like it is suited for traffic except from the N, NW. Ditto for VALRE. The other STARS are for high and fast traffic.
So, any ideas what to expect so I can read-up and reasonably expect for the route of flight?
Many thanks in advance.
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