DavidWhite
Final Approach
I've been looking for it, but I cannot find it. Does anyone know which FAR defines it?
What's the context?
I've been looking for it, but I cannot find it. Does anyone know which FAR defines it?
Mounting a camera with a suction cup - I was able to find major and minor alterations but it didn't sound like either of those to me.
Why do you feel an FAR is needed to define it?
Mounting a camera with a suction cup - I was able to find major and minor alterations but it didn't sound like either of those to me.
Mounting a camera with a suction cup doesn't alter anything.
It's mounted on the outside so it alters (however so slightly) the airflow of whatever surface it's stuck to. The camera itself is smaller than the palm of my hand.
Did you perform maintenance on the plane?
No, I did not.
Then point to the far that you would get violated on
Inside the plane? The FAA is on record as saying anything attached with a clamp, velcro, or a suction cup and not wired into the plane via anything other than an existing plug/receptacle (e.g., the 12v accessory power socket or an audio jack) is not "installed," and not an issue. That's not in an FAR, but if memory serves, it's in an Advisory Circular and FAA Order 8900.1.Mounting a camera with a suction cup - I was able to find major and minor alterations but it didn't sound like either of those to me.
Big or small, if it's on the outside, the burden is on you to show it doesn't affect the aircraft's flight/handling characteristics, and I know of no FAA guidance to help you do that.It's mounted on the outside so it alters (however so slightly) the airflow of whatever surface it's stuck to. The camera itself is smaller than the palm of my hand.
There is no FAR which says what you want to do is OK. You will have to research the airworthiness AC's on that issue unless someone else here can point to the right one because I cannot.But I'm curious as to what FAR it is so I can show it to the FSDO inspector if/when I ever get ramped with it stuck to the side of my airplane.
14 CFR 91.7(a).Then point to the far that you would get violated on
14 CFR 91.7(a).
The FAR you are looking for is FAR 1.1
Minor alteration means an alteration other than a major alteration.
Major alteration means an alteration not listed in the aircraft, aircraft engine, or propeller specifications—
(1) That might appreciably affect weight, balance, structural strength, performance, powerplant operation, flight characteristics, or other qualities affecting airworthiness; or
(2) That is not done according to accepted practices or cannot be done by elementary operations.
Now, MHO, it is attached by accepted practices? = yes
No tools required to get it on or off. = no
It does not modify the aircraft in any way.= no
You have no modification or alteration either major or minor.
If in doubt, call your local FSDO. You'll find they don't care unless you attach it to a flight control.
There is no FAR which says what you want to do is OK. You will have to research the airworthiness AC's on that issue unless someone else here can point to the right one because I cannot.
I think I am just going to start mounting it on the inside.
That's what I was thinking. He's wanting to mount something to the outside of the airplane with a suction cup? My outdoor thermometer sometimes falls off my window and my house is standing still...Besides, it would really suck if it came off in flight.
That's what I was thinking. He's wanting to mount something to the outside of the airplane with a suction cup? My outdoor thermometer sometimes falls off my window and my house is standing still...
To the op..
If you get ramp checked and the inspector wants to know why you placed a camera on your aircraft? simply tell them so you could record their ramp check.
watch how nice they act after that.
Didn't I just see you post a video in another thread with this . . . um . . . outside view of your plane taking off and stuff?
Probably a good idea.
Besides, it would really suck if it came off in flight.
Potential FAR 91.15 violation....
91.15 applies only when the pilot "allows" the drop, and I think it would be pretty obvious even to the FAA that a pilot would not "allow" the drop of an expensive camera.Sec. 91.15
Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property.
I meant that tongue in cheek, but yes.