Apollo 18 - very interesting!

Speaking of present knowledge of physics, I was thinking the other day about the fact that we don't know for sure what holds galaxies together, or why the expansion of the universe is accelerating. I find it kind of exciting that the known laws of physics aren't as "known" as I previously thought.


Yeah, that's the whole Dark Matter/Dark Energy theory thing, the basis of which they were doing experiments on at FermiLab. A lot of that got scaled back with budget cuts though. A lot of research budget in high energy physics got cut, and largely on the promise of CERN and the LHC and the results it was supposed to get, but they had troubles getting it online, and I'm not even sure of its status at the moment. So yeah, we've dropped off on working on all that at the moment. The problem with pure science is pure scientists. To them "the answers" are the result. That doesn't sell well though when competing for funding with programs that are trying for a more tangible result. When you need billions of dollars to look for a Higgs bosun which may or may not be there and they who hold the money ask "Why do we need to know this?" they come back with "To help us understand the nature of the Universe, so we understand how it all works...", and that doesn't work well. It leaves it up to the imagination of the person they are asking to invest money to guess at the return. I've never seen a business prospectus written like that. They need to develop scenarios of what can be done with this information in a practical sense once we have it.
 
Seems like Michener's "Space" had an Apollo 18 in it, too. Joe Engle (ex X-15 pilot) would have gone to the moon on Apollo 17, but got bumped so that a PhD geologist could go on the last flight. Bad for Joe, but probably a better expenditure. I'll be interested to see how accurate the technical details are in the movie.

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Not so!

In Star Trek V, Kirk and others are hiding out in a small room on the Enterprise. Behind him you can see a placard which reads, "Do not flush while in space dock."

In the Futurama where Fry, Leela and Bender go to the Moon. They seek shelter in the Apollo 11 Lunar Module. Just as you're thinking, "Hey! The module wouldn't be there. It launched with them on the return..." You see a sign on the wall, "This artifact was returned here by The Historical Stickler's Society"
 
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In the Fururama where Fry, Leela and Bender go tot he Moon. They seek shelter in the Apollo 11 Lanar Moduel. Just as you're thinking, "Hey! The module wouldn't be there. It launched them on the return..." You see a sign on the wall, "This artifact was returned here by The Historial Stickler's Society"

The problem with returning the ascent stage to the landing site is that it was left in lunar orbit and after a while (a month give or take) it scattered itself in a bazillion pieces across the lunar landscape somewhere. There's not much left of a lightweight tissue paper thin vehicle like that after ramming into rock at lunar orbital velocities.
 
The problem with returning the ascent stage to the landing site is that it was left in lunar orbit and after a while (a month give or take) it scattered itself in a bazillion pieces across the lunar landscape somewhere. There's not much left of a lightweight tissue paper thin vehicle like that after ramming into rock at lunar orbital velocities.

Thanks. Now you had to go and ruin it.
 
I can believe that slow boy from Alabama was awarded Medal of Honor for his Viet Nam heroics, became a ping-pong champion, co-founded a billion dollar food empire, met Presidents Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon, and ran repeatedly across the USA...but not that.
Hollywood isn't about believability, it's about suspension of your beliefs.
 
I like how the Apollo Program gets canceled, but somehow or another NASA secretly launches a big ol' Saturn 5 from Cape Canaveral and no one notices.

They must have hired David Copperfield to hide the launch.

Nah, they just neuralized everybody.
 
I know it's just a typo Henning, but I can't resist...
The Higgs Bosun jumped ship and signed up with Captain Ahab..
The Higgs Boson is still evading us...

OK, now that I have tongue in cheek, grandly demonstrated my intellectual superiority, not to mention my spelling prowess, let me make an actual recommendation... (or even if you don't let me)
If you have not read: A Short History Of Nearly Everything, by Bill Bryson
Do so... Immediately... Vastly worth it as a very, very fun book to read without even one equation for you to solve, that will answer your questions about crossing galaxies (much less intergalactic space)...

Now, back on topic... Science Fiction movies are much more enjoyable when there is some actual science in them - as opposed to fantasy werewolf type crapola...

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Yeah, that's the whole Dark Matter/Dark Energy theory thing, the basis of which they were doing experiments on at FermiLab. A lot of that got scaled back with budget cuts though. A lot of research budget in high energy physics got cut, and largely on the promise of CERN and the LHC and the results it was supposed to get, but they had troubles getting it online, and I'm not even sure of its status at the moment. So yeah, we've dropped off on working on all that at the moment. The problem with pure science is pure scientists. To them "the answers" are the result. That doesn't sell well though when competing for funding with programs that are trying for a more tangible result. When you need billions of dollars to look for a Higgs bosun which may or may not be there and they who hold the money ask "Why do we need to know this?" they come back with "To help us understand the nature of the Universe, so we understand how it all works...", and that doesn't work well. It leaves it up to the imagination of the person they are asking to invest money to guess at the return. I've never seen a business prospectus written like that. They need to develop scenarios of what can be done with this information in a practical sense once we have it.
I knew some of the people that ran some of the experiments at Fermi, they were working on the D0 detector, they were looking for muons as part of the search for the Higgs. Back then, they were expecting the SSC to be running in Texas fairly soon. Some of the budget cuts were because the results were negative, and they needed a higher energy accelerator. FermiLab is still doing good work, but the "glamour" physics has moved on. Pretty much the same thing as happened with the AGS at BNL- that collider mostly feeds ions into the RHIC anymore.

Trying to make a business case for some of the high energy physics is just an excercise in BS right now because the data will support or derail a theory. Derailing the theory is probably better if we can get a better one as that will generate the new technology.
 
Trying to make a business case for some of the high energy physics is just an excercise in BS right now because the data will support or derail a theory. Derailing the theory is probably better if we can get a better one as that will generate the new technology.

It is, but they need a better line of BS than the one they're using...:D

Problem is, the experiments to derail the theory are often beyond expensive and are multinational projects.
 
It is, but they need a better line of BS than the one they're using...:D

Problem is, the experiments to derail the theory are often beyond expensive and are multinational projects.
Experiments to support the theory are the same way right now.

With this sort of physics, we're likely getting into the situation before the early 1900's. We have theories that explain a number of things, but there are some things that don't make sense within the theory (back then, it was some aspects of the photoelectric effect and blackbody radiation for example...a few other experiments also gave results that didn't fit the theory). Failure to find the Higgs would force a reexamination of the standard theory; we still can't tie gravity with quantum mechanics although there are many models for this, no one really agrees with a particular one AFIAK.
 
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This was a really crappy movie. Date night last night, we went to the theater to drop the requisite $50 for a night at the movies.

Story was crap, premise was crap, and the only scary parts in the movie were the cheap "OMG SOMETHING JUST POPPED UP" scares.

The ending was crap. I do not recommend this movie.
 
$50!!!

What the heck did you do? Buy dinner at the movie too?

Tickets $20
Popcorn: $10
2 Sodas: $12
Twizzlers: $6

$48 + taxes. I wonder how the MPAA and producers even make a profit at those dastardly low rates.
 
Why do you bother with the extras?

Popcorn and sodas? I think its illegal to bring your own stuff in, and sitting in a theater for 2 hours without anything to drink or snack on would be lame, methinks.
 
Smuggle in your own snacks.

A few years ago I went with a friend for dinner, and we got those tiny one-glass wine bottles, and we smuggled those into the movie. It was a fun way to watch Willy Wonka, with itty bitty wine bottles and smuggled snacks.
 
Tickets $20
Popcorn: $10
2 Sodas: $12
Twizzlers: $6

$48 + taxes. I wonder how the MPAA and producers even make a profit at those dastardly low rates.

The way it works is the MPAA (the distributor behind this movie) got up to 100% of the first $20 that you paid at the box office. The percentage they get drops steadily each week the movie is shown.

The rest goes to the exhibitor and that's all he makes the first few weeks, outside of stuff like ad revenue.
 
Popcorn and sodas? I think its illegal to bring your own stuff in, and sitting in a theater for 2 hours without anything to drink or snack on would be lame, methinks.
Really you cannot go two hours without a snack? As for drinking most places have a fountain.

Another way to save some $$$ is to go to the matinee too. I like Sunday morning movies. Cheap, hardly anyone there and I have just had breakfast so I do not need all that expensive crap that they sell.

I also do not think it is "illegal" for you to bring in your own snacks. But the theater may have a policy against it. But they don't search anyone, so load up your pockets. ;)

Also to address one of your earlier questions. It appears that the studios do not get a cut of the concession stand profits.

http://www.slate.com/id/2133612/

At least according to that article.
 
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Hehe we smuggled in 40s of PBR for Jackass 2. We felt it was an appropriate libation :D
 
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